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Re: Nukes and Iran

Postby FirstClassSkeptic » 03 Feb 2012 18:22

when was it that the concept of warfare changed? In ancient warfare, the fighters shared in the spoil. They got clothes, weapons, land, crops, animals, jewels, silver and women.

Now modern warfare is fought for corporate profits. The soldier gets paid as a servant. If he gets any spoils, he has to sneak them back home, which many do. But claiming territory is out of the question. The only people to gain territory in WWII were the jews.

I think it was Napoleon who discovered that a man would risk his life for a medal, and a little empty honor.
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Re: Nukes and Iran

Postby rerevisionist » 03 Feb 2012 18:48

There's something similar with the officer system, FCS. In the 18th century in Britain (and before? - I don't know; after? don't know either) the British Army had the 'purchase system'. If you had money, you could buy the rank of officer, and command your group of men. I wondered how they recouped this money, as they presumably must have done; was it through spoils of war, or some government system? In fact I asked the historian running the Imperial War Museum, but he didn't know - he'd got a PhD on the Domesday Book and seemed to know very little. But maybe this sort of system exists in the world - for all I know it may, in terms of numbers, exceed the west's official armies, as guerilla fighters may do.
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Re: Nukes and Iran

Postby FirstClassSkeptic » 07 Feb 2012 17:37

by Henry Makow Ph.D


The ducks are lined up for another world war. As in previous world wars, Zionists are conscripting the United States. If Americans get suckered again, they deserve the consequences.

The headline on Drudge.com was: "Ayatollah: Kill all Jews, annihilate Israel..." Americans are expected to rally to their defense, like a trained dog.

Drudge links to an article on the NeoCon web site "World Net Daily." (Obviously Drudge is another Zionist asset.)

The article, written by "a former CIA operative" says, "the Iranian government, through a website proxy, has laid out the legal and religious justification for the destruction of Israel and the slaughter of its people....The doctrine includes [preemptive strikes] wiping out Israeli assets and Jewish people worldwide."

The source of this sabre rattling is an article on a Farsi website by one "Alireza Forghani, a conservative analyst and a strategy specialist in Khamenei's camp."

However, an Israeli website identifies Alireza Forghani as merely "an Iranian blogger:"

"Alireza Forghani, a computer engineer, wrote in his essay that Tehran should exploit the West's dawdling over a strike on Iran to "wipe out Israel" by 2014 - that is, before President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's term runs out. The post was widely covered in the Iranian media on Saturday."

So rather than a government spokesman, Forghani is really "a blogger," with a two year time horizon for a "preemptive attack."

This is how the Zionists beat the drum for war.

And what did Khamenei actually say?

The Supreme Leader of the Islamic Revolution said the regional uprisings will bring about decline and isolation for the Zionist regime and stressed:

"One of the outcomes of these movements is decline and isolation for the Zionist regime, which is very important, because the Zionist regime is truly a cancerous tumor in the region and it must be, and will be, cut off."

Saying the "Zionist regime" is a cancerous tumor is hardly the same as the advocating preemptive attacks and the genocide of every Jew on earth.
It sounds like regime change to me. Even Israelis would welcome that.


https://www.henrymakow.com/zionists_want ... ld_wa.html
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Re: Nukes and Iran

Postby rerevisionist » 07 Feb 2012 18:08

Henry Makow Ph D quoted:-

... As in previous world wars, Zionists are conscripting the United States. If Americans get suckered again, they deserve the consequences....

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...Saying the "Zionist regime" is a cancerous tumor is hardly the same as the advocating preemptive attacks and the genocide of every Jew on earth. It sounds like regime change to me. Even Israelis would welcome that


Significant observations. Applies to European countries, too.

** Maybe there's a wide-awake historian out there with a grasp of multiple wars.. are there any cases when people were suckered, not once, not twice, but three or more times? **
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Re: Nukes and Iran

Postby ewing2001 » 15 Feb 2012 13:02

...half-off-topic or maybe not, currently for the 4th or 5th time attacked pipe line in Iran, is most likely linked to some oil-company insider-blackmail-false-flag/anxietyOP :
"...The main foreign producing consortium is the Al-Furat Petroleum Company, a joint venture established in 1985, which currently includes the SPC at 50 percent ownership, Shell Oil at 32 percent, and others, including China's CNPC. ..
...Syrian Petroleum Company (SPC), an arm of the Ministry of Petroleum and Mineral Resources."
https://abarrelfull.wikidot.com/syria-oil-gas-profile

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNPC

"...CNPC is the parent of PetroChina, the second highest evaluated company in the world in terms of market capitalization as of June 2010...
...in June 1997 the company bought a 60.3% stake in the Aktobe Oil Company of Kazakhstan..."

...In 2006, CNPC formed an international consortium with state-run Uzbekneftegaz, LUKoil Overseas, Petronas, and Korea National Oil Corporation

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Re: Nukes and Iran

Postby rerevisionist » 17 Feb 2012 20:07

https://www.presstv.ir/detail/227030.html

Article in Iran's 'PressTV' website specifically on the BBC and its propagandist function, with comments on Zionists and Israel, British establishment support, plus comments on Syria, Libya, Egypt, Palestine, and Sunni/Shiite factions. And incursions into Iraq and Iran. It's not good quantitatively - i.e. how much support etc - but this is more or less universal these days.

There is no mention of 'nukes' which itself may be significant; who knows?

I thought at first the site was a fake - there are apostrophe-s-as-plural mistakes, and poor formatting, but I think it's authentic - and in any case Iranians under threat of mass bombings and war crimes and thefts can be pardoned for punctuation errors.
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Re: Nukes and Iran

Postby ewing2001 » 18 Feb 2012 00:45

PressTV is a falseOpposition front imo ; The launch of the channel in January 2007 was attended by Iranian President-Actor Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
It was most likely created, to establish monitored diatribes between leftgatekeepers and coOpted conservative journalists ;
It is allegedly state-funded and their first reports were all supportive of 9/11-truther and Ajones/NWO stuff, to give them a pseudo-ego front ;

They operate among others, via Eutelsat S.A., a French-based satellite provider, see also
"-the rising power of eurospace electronic defense- and media hubs": https://bit.ly/bvPVqH
https://www.mycardshare.com/eutelsat-w2a ... telsat-w2a [(Eutelsat W2A 10.0E, 2012-01-19 21:55)]

Among presstv's gatekeeper correspondents are Max 'banksterHangout' Keiser, George Galloway, ex-Al Jazeera- Yvonne Ridley and pseudo anti-war activist Lauren Booth [BBC News 24 etc ; sister-in-law of former British prime minister Tony Blair]

((As seen at https://petereyrepatch.blogspot.com/ ; the author of this press-tv article, is a correspondent for The Palestine Telegraph (*2009), a hub for Sameh Akram Habeeb, who works for pressTV as well and reported at The Real News (*2007), run by Paul Jay -nephew of screenwriter Ted Allan ["Lies My Father Told Me"]. Jay worked with Gore Vidal for the launch of TRNN https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sameh_Akram_Habeeb ))

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Smacks for me more like a scummy Tavistock Institute-OP, similar to rt.com fronting for "former BBC correspondents" etc.. ; -)
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Re: Nukes and Iran

Postby ewing2001 » 20 Feb 2012 14:17

The (IAEA) is *also in on all this scam. Fake Phony Leftgatekeeper - front for the nukeLIES-scammerz ;

"established as an autonomous organization on 29 July 1957...
...Conference on the Peaceful Uses of Atomic Energy in Geneva, Switzerland. ..."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAEA

First *boss from IAEA, William Sterling Cole, came right from the International Atomic Energy Agency
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._Sterling_Cole
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAEA#List_ ... rs_General

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[around same time'ish when SIEMENS|France|FRAMATOME Developed the nukeTech scam phase 2 ; ]

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re: current Fakedevelopements around IRAN pseudovs. IAEA ; [=truman newz]
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl= ... 29l2-1l1l0
IAEA Team's Visit to Iran Based on Previous Agreements
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Re: Nukes and Iran

Postby Cowan Bellarmino » 24 Feb 2012 21:27

Daily doses of extreme anti-Iranian propaganda.

A supposed Christian pastor that has been sentenced to death and can only be saved by the Ayatollah. I have seen the main drivers of this news are the British Christian Solidarity World Wide (CSW) and the American Center for Law & Justice (ACLJ). The ACLJ feeds its press releases to the International Business Times. It is interesting to learn about the folks that run these organizations. The ACLJ is run by Pat Robertson and Jay Sekulow. The CSW by a baroness and a guy that fathered a child with the wife of a Saudi arms dealer.

Then there's the New York Times. If you haven't checked out Michael Hoffman's breakdown of the NYT propaganda on his blog you're really missing out. The drums of war are being beaten rather loudly.

We now also have reporters begging for rescue from behind the lines in Syria.

Then, in the midst of all of this there are reports that US troops are - surprise surprise - now in 4 African countries. Granted, these troops are all Special Forces and are serving as "advisors". Tell me, if you were in a room with 100 Special Forces commandos, what kind of advice would they be giving?
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Re: Nukes and Iran

Postby rerevisionist » 24 Feb 2012 23:58

Maybe we're lucky??

It's possible that, literally, for the first time ever, we have a front-row seat in the preparation for another war by Jews at of course others' expense. We have some idea what's going on, including their likely nuclear weapons fraud, their paper money fraud, the propaganda frauds - though probably we know far less than the truth. Because of Internet we can exchange ideas fairly freely. Let's hope we can have some influence on these parasitic scum - Jews are a worldwide evil and nuisance.
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Re: Nukes and Iran

Postby FirstClassSkeptic » 25 Feb 2012 01:18

Cowan Bellarmino wrote:Daily doses of extreme anti-Iranian propaganda.

A supposed Christian pastor that has been sentenced to death and can only be saved by the Ayatollah.


I doubt that Iran is any more Christian than the USA.

Wasn't there some woman in Afghanistan that was sentenced to death just before the USA invaded? And, of course, they saved her life. I wonder how true these stories really are, and if true, why do they seem to only happen, conveniently, whenever the Pentagon is wanting to invade something?
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Re: Nukes and Iran

Postby rerevisionist » 25 Feb 2012 13:24

I recommend the article Armageddon Approaches - dated February 21, 2012 — by 'Dr. Lasha Darkmoon'

https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2012/02/armageddon-approaches

There's a summary, admittedly by a non-expert, of the likely military effects of an attack on Iran. Including the reactions of Russia and China, and e.g. Pakistan, and Israel. There's a description of aircraft carriers and their 'numerous support vessels', facing new missiles - 'as fast as a bullet' - in the Straits of Hormuz. The comments (300+) are the usual mixture, but include one from a person who claims to have designed anti-ballistic systems - with a HD visualising system at 2000 fps, and motion detection, though he seems to be claiming to have detected billions of targets - maybe he's unemployed or something?

However, from our viewpoint, there's no recognition of the possibility that the nuke thing is a complete red herring. They all seem to think a cluster of supposed nuclear installations would be the main target for the entire operation! (By the way, the much-trumpeted supposed raids by Israel against nuclear installations e.g. in Iraq seem to have been, in effect, simple raids on something like large garden sheds - maybe all that was phoney, like so much else when Jews are involved). They have no doubts nukes exist - the article is illustrated with a composite photo, the nuke picture being the one demolished here by FirstClassSkeptic. So, much of the discussion is based around speculation about nukes, including one idea that the whole thing is a deliberate disguised anti-israel move - theye expect it to go very wrong for Israel. But there is no general agreement on nukes - in keeping with the general embryonic exit strategy idea, they are not discussed because it's not clear what to do. Incidentally there's a post about Vanunu, from a clearly naive person, puzzled as he hasn't grasped the US isn't supposed to deal with nuclear powers, so Vanunu's presumably phoney leak tried to get around that. The 'Occidental Observer' needs more science, but I expect it will come. I've posted there, linking to this site.

Politically it seems Britain is as much under the thumb of Jews as the USA, judging by House of Commons votes. Let's hope things change.

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