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India: nuke power?? 1 Uranium Shortage, 2 Huge French Plant

Postby rerevisionist » 04 Dec 2011 16:41

Headline: Uranium Shortage Means Nuclear Power in India is 'a Hoax'- 2007

Interesting piece, partly on foreign capital in India (Chinese, US, and - partly coded - Jewish capital); and on weapons. But also on shortage of uranium making nuclear power a 'hoax'. (The author of the piece believes nuclear power, and weapons, exist - he means power is a hoax in the sense it's not workable over the long term, and also in the sense radiation is dangerous). However the author is bullish on 'hydel', wind, and sun power. Too long to copy in full, perhaps, but I've put a few short extracts below.

http://www.thesouthasian.org/archives/2007/the_hoax_of_nuclear_power.html

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The agreement allows1 8 out of the 22 existing reactors and a fast breeder reactor under construction to remain outside the purview of International Atomic Energy Agency inspection. So, India's nuclear weapons programme can continue.

India is now Israel's largest customer for weaponry. In 2000, India's defence purchases from Israel amounted to $1.5 billion.

The USA's honeymoon with China seems over. In spite of the penetration of US finance capital into the huge Chinese market, Chinese trade and monetary policy is hurting the US. In the 11 months ending in November, 2006, the US had a trade deficit of $214 billion with China2, and China refuses to reduce this deficit by revaluing its currency for fear that cheap foreign agricultural products will invade and destabilise its rural economy and further disturb its already restive peasants.

Uranium resources will run out in the same time frame as fossil fuels. The 70,000 t of uranium reserves will be finished in 30 years (The South Asian, April 16, 2006).

Our coal reserves8 are 38 billion t, with a total thermal energy potential of 21,151 GWYr.. .... A little energy use (compound growth) calculation shows that coal, at 51% usage, will, last another 38 years or so. India's oil and gas reserves are 12 billion t, with a total thermal energy potential of 16,204 GWYr.....At this rate of usage, hydrocarbons will last another 36 years or so.
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Re: Uranium Shortage Means Nuclear Power in India 'a Hoax'-

Postby NUKELIES » 06 Dec 2011 03:06

India is the ideal place for "nuclear weapons" and "nuclear energy." Logic is the enemy in India, so the greater, the more complex the myth, the more believable it becomes.

The intellectual convolution demonstrated by seemingly genuine, but unsuspecting, critics of India's "nuclear programme" becomes impenetrable and therefore the ideal defence against the likes of us.

What other country could come up with the word "hydel"?
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Re: Uranium Shortage Means Nuclear Power in India 'a Hoax'-

Postby rerevisionist » 06 Dec 2011 03:19

I've never been to India (apart from a plane stop) - maybe that's why I feel some sentimental attraction and wonder at the place which after all does have about (from memory) about 15% of humanity. I wonder if you're read My Awakening by David Duke - he regards India as a once-white country, including no doubt some Indo-European background many centuries ago, brought low by immigrations; and with the caste system a religion designed to try to keep the whites in place. He wrote quite a poignant description of seeing a near-blind little girl with some horrible disease, begging. It's odd how little both real and fake do-gooders have done to try to plan or adjust or improve India. Probably because they don't see money there - unlike Jews and the imitation 'left' in white countries who can't have enough of spoiling things.

And of course there's the economics - if you're in an elite techie job in India, you live in a way the lower orders can't begin to aspire to; a bit like NASA's phonies with the differentials magnified. I wish some of them would post here.

[I think 'hydel' just mean hydro-electric].
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New French 'nuclear power station' - email query

Postby rerevisionist » 17 Feb 2012 12:04

Rada Krishna, who helped construct power plants, for Tata but mostly in the USA. This is the building side of things. He seems to have no doubts at all about nuclear fission - he seems to have made no attempt to check the workings of these buildings and power grid connections - he reminds me of these simple-minded soldiers who do what they're told without the faintest understanding of the issues. However, I may be wrong.

A French company, Areva, however is building the world's largest nuclear power plant, that too based on technology that has not been completely tested, in the pristine, beautiful coastline of Ratnagiri (Jaitapur Town), India


Youtube link (posted Jan 2011, this is part 1 of three parts) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvNgamDp3Kw


These are the comments by the uploader:---

Uploaded by SatyenBordoloi on 3 Jan 2011

Do you know you can never completely dismantle a nuclear power plant? Ever. Is it then any surprise that the country which pioneered nuclear technology and nuclear power plants, have not built one in the last 25 years?

A French company, Areva, however is building the world's largest nuclear power plant, that too based on technology that has not been completely tested, in the pristine, beautiful coastline of Ratnagiri (Jaitapur Town), India.

In these videos, Rada Krishna, who was the construction manager in building the last and the largest nuclear reactor of the US in San Onofre, California goes beyond the known clichés for and against the same, to talks about issues rarely, if at all, talked about. He busts many myths surrounding the construction, working, dismantling and the zillion hazards -- economic, social, environmental and political - of a nuclear power plant.

The revelations and repercussions for India are chilling.

• Once a nuclear plant is built it cannot be completely shut down and has to be maintained for perpetuity costing multiple times over the cost of building one proving that Nuclear energy is definitely not cheap.
• Today we don't need missiles to sabotage a Nuclear power plant and a computer hacker sitting in some nondescript corner of the world can do a much better job of sabotage and perhaps destruction of a nuclear power plant as the Stuxnet virus that has delayed the Bushehr Nuclear Power Plant in Russia and threatens to do the same to Iran's nuclear facility in Natanz show.
• Half life of the spent fuel, Plutonium in the reactor is over 24,000 years i.e. its danger is reduced to only half in that time and they have to be kept for an eternity, literally, before the spent fuel (the used Uranium from reactors) for it to become safe completely.
• The proposed Jaitapur Nuclear Power Plant in Ratnagiri district of India, with 6 reactors, is an act bordering on lunacy because even if there is damage to one, all six will have to be closed which besides causing irreparable damage to ecology and the entire region, will lead to a lost of billions of dollars of taxpayers money. It is perhaps best that India does not do something that will go down as one of the greatest blunders in its history.

The question to ask thus is why would any nation consciously build a Damocles sword to hang over its own necks perennially? What is the stupidity and illusion that pervades all our consciousness that forces us into illusions about nuclear power plants? Isn't it more sensible to go for other, safer options that are indeed available?

In the light of these facts, isn't building a power plant today, akin not just to shooting oneself up but actually blowing ourselves up with our families and friends? Can human civilization survive even one single nuclear power plant, let alone many? You decide.

About Rada Krishna:
Rada Krishna, is a retired construction specialist, who is responsible for building many power plants in the United States of America. He began by working with the Tatas in India then shifted base to the US where he was involved with building various types of power plants from those that operate on oil and gas, to building the first solar plants with reflecting mirrors and the first geothermal power plants in the US.

His most important job was as the senior construction manager in the San Onofre Nuclear Power Plant in California in the early 80s (units 2 and 3), which has the largest nuclear reactors in the US. That was also the last nuclear power plant built in the US, the country that pioneered it in the first place.

Incidentally he was also involved in the planning of dismantling a power plant.

Gratitude is due to Vivek Sundara for his help in the production of this video.


I messaged the uploader, in the hope of getting a man who'd worked on construction to comment; we'll see ----
Dear SB
I've just watched your video of Rada Krishna on India and nuclear power.

I'd be grateful if you'd get him to look at nukelies.com which is a sceptical site on nuclear issues.

We partly look at nuclear weapons, but also nuclear power. We note there is nowhere in the world powered only by nuclear power, not even the remotest areas. And China is building huge numbers of power stations - all coal fired.

We'd like R K to consider the idea that nuclear power stations are just dumploads. This would mean that they in fact waste a proportion of electricity - probably say 10 to 20% of the total - to keep supply and demand in balance.

It's *possible* R K has never considered the actual working parts of the supposed power stations, but simply assumes they are what they claim.

We'd be grateful for comments. India is probably being duped out of billions, by these people.
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Re: India: nuke power?? 1 Uranium Shortage, 2 Huge French Pl

Postby ewing2001 » 18 Feb 2012 03:25

AREVA- reminder

they have historical roots with the first NukeFakers FRAMATOME.
AREVA ...has its roots in Framatome in order to license Westinghouse's "pressurized water reactor (PWR) technology" and developed a bid for Chooz 1 in Belgium… [1950s].

AREVA was created on 3 September 2001, by the merger of Framatome (now AREVA NP), Cogema (now AREVA NC) and Technicatome (now AREVA TA).
German company Siemens also retains 34% of the shares of AREVA's subsidiary, AREVA NP.
AREVA is part of the Global Nuclear Energy Partnership (GNEP) alliance, along with the Japan Atomic Energy Agency (JAEA), Washington Group International and BWX.
In 2000 the company expanded its market leadership by acquiring Raytheon Engineers & Constructors.

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Founded in 1958 by several companies of the French industrial giant The Schneider Group along with Empain, Merlin Gérin, and the American Westinghouse, in order to license Westinghouse's pressurized water reactor (PWR) technology and as mentioned, develop a bid for Chooz 1 in Belgium. AREVA owns two mines in Arlit, Niger, sic : National Mining Company of Niger, SOMAIR ; French Compagnie Minière d'Akouta (or COMINAK); and claim to work with "uranium reserves" from Kazakhstan, which is biz-logically cover-up-linked to the spaceBiz fakers around Baikonur Cosmodrome (Dutch SES, Germany's EADS Astrium etc..) [from http://justpaste.it/nukedukes2011 ]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arlit

ps: tata is actually mega-perp too, with hands in Taj Mahal Hotels and obscure, potential terror-false-flags in their hotels. Other entities : Tata Sky, a Direct To Home service company in alliance with British Sky Broadcasting, Tata AIG, venture company with AIG Group, and financeers linked to the late Michael Jackson, later reconfirmed when Tata Docomo partners Sony Music profited from his "death" ;

San Onofre Nuclear Generating Station (SONGS) had a first generation Westinghouse [now: Toshiba] "pressurized water reactor" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Onofre ... ower_plant

[edit 9:44 pm est, re below rerevisionist: i used to over-source, not really my style any longer, since i try now mostly to re-assemble "wikipedia-info" and reveal them non-linear at their *own [missing] info, but here is a good source on FRAMATOME (-> AREVA) : http://www.fundinguniverse.com/company- ... story.html ]
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Re: India: nuke power?? 1 Uranium Shortage, 2 Huge French Plant

Postby rerevisionist » 18 Feb 2012 03:35

@ ewing2001 - thanks for your comprehensive material on ownership. (Would you mind, if possible, just briefly indicating your sources? It's not always easy to disentangle these things. Not a big deal, but a short note might help other researchers).

I'm waiting for a reply from Radakrishna. (It was clear from a Youtube reply, from the Youtube video maker, that neither of these people knew of the nuke sceptic idea that nuclear power is simply a fake). I expect he won't reply, in fact. After all if they are fake, his working life was partly spent building fakes.

Are you claiming, ewing2001, that there's a monopoly supplying these constructions on the third world? Especially as the US hasn't built any for 25 years, I think Radakrishna said in the video. It could be collusion involving Indian officials, of course.
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Re: India: nuke power?? 1 Uranium Shortage, 2 Huge French Pl

Postby ewing2001 » 18 Feb 2012 03:58

yo, i am saying that there was|is a 'pyramidal monopoly' all along since 1945++, obscured with endless distribution companies and co-profiteers, but i think it always boiled down to westinghouse[U.S.]/now toshiba![japan ; or better Mitsui family Group zaibatsu/Meiji Restoration *1868]], framatome/areva [france|'UKindia'] and SIEMENS, though latter claims *now, that they're "...retreating from the nuclear business, its former partner Areva is pushing ahead to ink new deals.." http://djysrv.blogspot.com/2011/09/siem ... ustry.html [September 18, 2011] ;

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of course new players are involved, as mentioned in my list, that would be hipsterSexed-up Mitsubishi Heavy Industries/FBR. It's not the 60s/70s/90s any longer, but AREVA/SIEMENS has still a monopoly on specific security protocols within these plants, partly ww2-trademarked as far as i recall ; -)
http://justpaste.it/nukedukes2011

notes :
Enhanced CANDU (Canada Deuterium Uranium) 6 (trademark of Atomic Energy of Canada, Ltd.)
http://www.acronymfinder.com/Enhanced-C ... C6%29.html
Canadian General Electric was involved in CANDU ; CANDU-type units operating in India, Pakistan, Argentina, South Korea, Romania and China. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CANDU

*AP1000® pressurized water reactor (PWR)
http://www.ap1000.westinghousenuclear.com/
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Re: India: nuke power?? 1 Uranium Shortage, 2 Huge French Pl

Postby rerevisionist » 24 Feb 2012 04:41



This chap (see above) hasn't replied, ten days later, and I presume never will.
Anyway, for variety, this is part 2 of his talk.
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Re: India: nuke power?? 1 Uranium Shortage, 2 Huge French Pl

Postby ewing2001 » 04 Mar 2012 18:43

From India over North Korea and Iran to Brazil and Russia.
The last 10 days appeared like some mega PR script in mainstream media on all this.

Yet another AREVA connection :

http://enr.construction.com/infrastruct ... orward.asp
Brazil Proceeds on Interrupted Nuke, Plans for Four Others by 2035
03/05/2012

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"...Work on the newest plant was shut down in 1986 due to Brazil's financial constraints but was resumed in 2010...
...While hydroelectric provides about 80% of Brazil's power and nuclear less than 5%, officials of Eletronuclear, the nuclear power unit of state-owned utility Eletrobras, say the country's hydropower resources could be tapped by 2030...

...José Eduardo Costa Mattos, an engineer with Eletronuclear/Eletrobrás, says that construction of Angra 3 is being managed by Areva NP, the successor to its original builder, Siemens/KWU, which also built the first two Angra units...
Eletrobras, which spent about $327 million on Angra 3's early development, is seeking funds from private sources to complete the project. Published reports say the Russian government has expressed interest in the project and that it has received a $3.6- billion, 20-year loan from Brazil's national development bank, BNDES..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eletrobr%C3%A1s
Eletronuclear (Eletrobrás Termonuclear S/A) is a nuclear power company, which was established in 1997 in Brazil..

Business Ties between brazil BNDES and korean Hyundai, which is into nuke[scam]Biz as well :

http://www.foxbusiness.com/news/2012/02 ... i-factory/
Brazil's BNDES Approves BRL307 Million Loan For Hyundai Factory
February 16, 2012

http://en.hdec.kr/eng/business/nuclear.asp
"...We have built the majority of Korea’s nuclear power plants, including the Kori nuclear power plant’s Units 1~4, the Wolseong nuclear power plant’s Units 1~2, the Yeonggwang nuclear power plant’s Units 1~6, and the Korean Peninsula Energy Development Organiza-tion’s (KEDO) nuclear power plant’s Units 1~2...
...We are currently building Units 1 and 2 of the Shinkori nuclear power plant, which are 1,000 MW-level export models, and Units 3 and 4, which are Korea’s first 1,400 MW-level facilities..."

...there must be also ties to KEPCO E&C [see http://justpaste.it/nukedukes2011 ] :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korea_Elec ... orporation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KEPCO_E%26C

"...key elements of a nuclear power plant is done by companies including Doosan Heavy Industries & Construction and Westinghouse Electric Company..." [latter operated by the Toshiba Group, Japan !]
"...In 2006, KEPCO E&C won the 'Be award'[1], Plant:Multidiscipline Engineering, for the Shin-Kori Nuclear Power Plant in Korea...."

and then this :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_o ... an_economy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internatio ... al_Reactor
2019
International Thermonuclear Experimental Reactor


(the world's largest and most advanced experimental tokamak nuclear fusion reactor; construction started in France under joint cooperation of Japan, the European Union, South Korea, the People's Republic of China, India, the United States and Russia; )

ITER began in 1985 as a collaboration between the then Soviet Union, the European Union (through EURATOM),
the USA, and Japan.
ITER Council's chairman is Evgeny Velikhov, initiator of ITER project.[
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evgeny_Velikhov
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