[rerevisionist]

FirstClassSkeptic - You should be able to download 'Audacity' free - it's audio processing software. It's fairly - but not very - intuitive: with a mike connected, press the red button, and watch the audio trace. If you're lucky it'll all work well; if not you'll have an annoying time trying to work out where to plug what in. You can edit much more easily than tape: work from a script, try to get it right first time; but if not just re-do the bit you got wrong and select and cut out the other bit. You might screech or yell to mark an error-point for relative ease of editing. Save as .WAV or .MP3 file.

** ADDED LATER *** If you email it to me (or others - NUKELIES for example) it could make the soundtrack of a video, for Youtube. 30 mins would be exactly two videos - I lost my concession to have long videos because of a fake copyright claim - but NUKELIES could probably do the full half hour as one video.
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Yes, maybe Randi's lot are just vain, rather than hired types. Who knows. But some of them have a few tens of thousands of postings, which must take time, even if they say nothing much.

The thread was moved from Science to Conspiracy Theories. Sigh. It doesn't seem to appear on the front page, which is annoying. Another thing - which I've noticed before - is that insults from them don't get moderated; if I say the same back, I do.

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Junk reply on 'JREF' that amused me ---

Craig4
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Originally Posted by Rerevisionist

@Craig4 - it's touching that you have so much humanitarian concern, though I can't help noticing that the Vietnamese, who were butchered in large numbers by the USA get no mention from you.

Now, first, if you look at that single photo (note there are no serious photos from the ground taken by Japanese people, despite the fact they had photographic equipment in 1945 and would be likely to film a strange new phenomenon) -- as I say, if you look, you'll find it's not a single mushroom cloud. In fact, it's two separate columns of smoke, I'd guess from two separate bombed towns.

If you check on the other material, you'll find it does not carry the message supposedly given to it. For example there's supposed to be a shadow of a person on a wall. But at the time the atom bomb supposedly dropped, Hiroshima would have been alive with people. Why should there be just one shadow? How come - and there's a book extract I scanned in - an eyewitness said she lived 600 yards from the epicentre; when she opened the door to see what was going on, there were burning wooden buildings - there was no wiped clean irradiated hot surface. And so on.

Why would you expect I would mention the deaths in other wars when there's nothing in the OP mentioning the deaths from conventional wars? [You're following the convention of pretend concern over supposed atom bomb deaths. This is pure hypocrisy as tens of millions died in WW2].

Your other concerns don't merit consideration. [I've put the other concerns - just a subset of the evidence- in blue]
You have to laugh at this clown, who doesn't merit consideration.

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Another junk reply on 'JREF' illustrating the violence never far below the surface of these Jewish-controlled freaks' mentalities: ---

Yesterday, 05:05 PM #54
Sword_Of_Truth Penultimate Amazing

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Originally Posted by Rerevisionist
I won't say any more here, but I would ask serious commentators, if there are any on this site, to have a look!

We looked.

I have done volunteer work as a member of the Canadian Nuclear Society. Mostly public education related stuff, like manning booths at science teacher conventions, doing displays and presentations on nuclear energy. I am not a nuclear physicists or engineer, but I am on a first name basis with the top minds in civilian large scale nuclear power generation in North America.

In my almost professional opinion, and I speak for myself here, not the CNS, the people behind the "Nuke Lies" forum should probably be forcibly sterilized to save future generations the emotional burden of knowing that kind of stupid exists in the world.

[voerioc]

Very interesting statement by voerioc:

My opinion is that all the guys on those kinds of skeptic forums are mostly just sayanim jews (with maybe a little bit of Freemasons), put there to bury the truth under a flood of crappy comments.

I was a skeptic myself when I was younger and discovered the work of Henri Broch. But, when I discovered the first skeptic forum (near 2000), I was very disappointed. Except for paranormal stuff, they didn't stop to criticize interesting dissident theories (like the one about aids), exactly as perfect conformists. At the beginning, I thought that followers of an intelligent man (Broch) are most of the time stupid people who are nonconformist only on his views but are stupid sheep on every other matters.

But I soon understood that jews controlled most of the well known forums. Then, I understood that those skeptic forums were just other controlled forums.

Which is absolutely clear now when you see that they sustain all official theories, even the most debunked ones (like aids, 9/11, the holocaust, etc...).

And Randi (real name Randall Swinge) is a jew himself. So, it leaves no doubt to the idea that his forum is driven by sayanims operatives.

[Note: Henri Broch is or was a lecturer at Nice University in France, who published on the sort of topics found in 'skeptics' groups—supernatural, paranormal, UFOs, extraterrestrials, Turin shroud, astrology, strange coincidences etc. I think his Zetetic Lab (Faculté de Zététique) in the Nice Faculty of Science, emphasises scientific method. They seem physics oriented; I can't find anything on errors in biological research - rerev]

[voerioc]

Yes, maybe Randi's lot are just vain, rather than hired types. Who knows. But some of them have a few tens of thousands of postings, which must take time, even if the say nothing much.

It says very much in my opinion. You can't have ordinary people having 20.000 messages in only 3 or 4 years. This would mean that they would be on the forum nearly permanently during their free time. People like that are obviously paid to write on forums.

[rerevisionist]

Voerioc ----
But I soon understood that jews controlled most of the well known forums. Then, I understood that those skeptic forums were just other controlled forums.

Which is absolutely clear now when you see that they sustain all official theories, even the most debunked ones (like aids, 9/11, the holocaust, etc...).

And Randi (real name Randall Swinge) is a jew himself. So, it leaves no doubt to the idea that his forum is driven by sayanims operatives.

I did a bit of googling: my "real name" is James Randi. I was born Randall Zwinge, but that was legally discarded long ago, and no such person now exists! You're quite right on the attribution of the quotation, however.

In view of what you say about AIDs, 9/11, the 'holocaust' etc, and the fact Christianity is routinely lambasted by the 'Educational Foundation', whereas nothing honest is ever said about Judaism, I'd say the case is fully proven and closed.

[rerevisionist]

I've just noticed there's been some hassle between youtube and 'JREF' in 2009ish, though I'm not sure of its substance. However they claim now they have been 'granted' a non-profit channel, able to post videos of any length, not just ten-minute segments. In fact all Youtube users (apart from copyright infringers) have had this facility for about a year; and before that, the time interval had been extended to fifteen minutes. It doesn't suggest they're very interested in Youtube. In fact the videos I've seen by Randi's outfit are invariably ones dealing only with fringe beliefs, suggesting that Youtube users might be equally uninterested in their evasive propaganda.
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This is the 'JREF' 'mission statement': Our mission is to promote critical thinking by reaching out to the public and media with reliable information about paranormal and supernatural ideas so widespread in our society today.

Notice the deliberately misleading wording - it starts by suggesting they promote critical thinking, but then there's a proviso which seems to limit it only to 'paranormal' ideas.
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The financial arrangements aren't very clear. They claim to have four 'staff': 'President' D.J. Grothe, 'formerly a professional magician' like Randall himself. Michael Blanford 'Director of Educational Programs', who seems to have worked in science museums in southern USA. Sadie Crabtree, 'Communications Director', who seems to be or have been a female activist of the conventional type - i.e. approved protests only. And Brian Thompson 'Field Coordinator', apparently an Aussie promoting 'science and reason to the widest possible audience'. Note the way their mission statement - on the paranormal - morphs into supposedly scientific topics.

They claim to have five 'research fellows' though there seems no basis for this claim, as they 'have been recognized by the JREF for their contribution to the skeptical movement' - presumably anybody could be 'recognized'. There's one professor of physics, a computer chap with a degree in physics; a man with some sort of qualification(s) in neurology - 'Director of the JREF’s new Science-Based Medicine project'; a research assistant 'pursuing a master’s degree in Communication with a focus on science', and a female 'Linguist and Researcher' at Berkeley who has contributed to a lot of 'skeptic' publications.

I found a poster on their forum who said she was employed by the 'JREF' (called RemieV) and there must be others, though their site search engine is not helpful in locating them.

[rerevisionist]

Controlled experiment time!

The idea of 'orgone energy' (our thread here http://www.nukelies.com/forum/orgone Reich shills Jews etc ) is a Jewish fraud, currently supported by a fraud in the USA who appears to think he's a 'Jew'.

I thought I'd look at 'JREF' (177,453 threads; 7 M + postings) to check on this fraud. There is only one thread on the subject, which says nothing.

So much for their exhaustive investigation and checking-out of unsubstantiated and/or money-making phonies.

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For what it's worth, there was follow-up material on JREF, some of which they deleted later; here is the deleted stuff, with a few of my comments, some a little ill-tempered. It's interesting to see their fairly complete indifference to anything factual. Voerioc must be right; the extreme posters are paid, or possibly just encouraged, to block up the site with their rubbish....-----

Today, 10:37 AM #201
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Originally Posted by Rerevisionist
Controlled experiment time
The idea of 'orgone energy' is a Jewish fraud, currently supported by at least fraud in the USA who appears to think he's a 'Jew'.

I thought I'd look at 'JREF' (177,453 threads; 7 M + postings) to check on this fraud, and investigate their ruthless use of conrtolled experiments etc to expose this. There is only one thread on the subject, which says nothing.

So, the result of your "experiment" was this thread:
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.p...ghlight=orgone

Which you characterize as saying "nothing", despite it containing several links to well-established discussions of orgone energy, and why we know it's bogus.

You also missed this thread, since apparently you're poor at searching:
[I've deleted the other search results, maybe 20 in the body of JREF forum, since he's deliberately avoiding the point, which is that a notorious fraud, orgone energy, is not dealt with as a topic anywhere in the entire 7 M postings]
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.p...ne#post7547856

So, based on the results of my "controlled experiment", I've concluded that you are an incompetent researcher. [I think readers will form an opinon of your 'research' skills!]
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Today, 10:42 AM #202
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Originally Posted by Travis
Reality: the ultimate evil Jewish conspiracy.
I heard they call the ringleader YHWH, some kind of code word.

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Today, 10:48 AM #203
tsig a carbon based life-form

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Originally Posted by Rerevisionist
Looks like the case is closed.

So I'm a Jew, mother will be so surprised!

Today, 10:55 AM #204
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Originally Posted by Rerevisionist
Controlled experiment time

The idea of 'orgone energy' is a Jewish fraud, currently supported by at least fraud in the USA who appears to think he's a 'Jew'.

I thought I'd look at 'JREF' (177,453 threads; 7 M + postings) to check on this fraud, and investigate their ruthless use of conrtolled experiments etc to expose this. There is only one thread on the subject, which says nothing.

He makes a similar "sin by omission" complaint against Ranb in his "troll examples" thread.

Quote:
[2] Repeated omissions of important information.
** Ranb never once refers to the 'Samson Option', a clear nuclear threat
** Ranb never comments on the clear proof of Jewish involvement in nuclear fraud
** Ranb does not mention the faked film evidence
Is there a specific logical fallacy name for using this in an argument? Or is this technique just too stupid to even merit mention?
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Today, 11:02 AM #205
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Orgone? Is it 1973 in here?

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Rere, are you familiar with the work of Tom Bearden? Do you follow the writings of Gene Ray?
Inquiring minds want to know. [No, I've never heard of them. If they have something useful to say, why don't you say what it is, you stupid cunt]
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Today, 11:19 AM #207
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Originally Posted by kookbreakert
Orgone? Is it 1973 in here?

It hasn't stopped being 1937 yet.

Today, 11:26 AM #208
Dr.Sid
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Orgone remains strong .. it's great against chemtrails for example ..
Now we only need find something against stupid contagious memes ..

Old Today, 11:37 AM #209
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What I'm a Jew? Good lord I'll have to get circumcised, hmmmm where are those ice cubes and the exacto knife? [Note: the wording was 'appears to think he's a Jew'. The facts about Khazars are no doubt yet another censored topic on 'JREF']

Today, 11:37 AM #210
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What in the hell is orgone? [Note that this clown isn't even aware it's an issue, so insulated has he been by the censorship of 'JREF']
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Old Today, 11:54 AM #211
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Quote:
What in the hell is orgone?

Nonsensical pseudoscience thought up by a contemporary of Freud who was whacked enough to make Freud seem normal by comparison. ... [Note: he gives no intelligent commentary on orgone or its believers]
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Today, 12:05 PM #212
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Originally Posted by excaza
What in the hell is orgone?

Use google. Orgone is defined by myths around it, and they are plenty. Still I warned you, if you get offended by ignorance, better ignore this issue .. [Note: Another one trying presuambly to be clever]

Today, 12:08 PM #213
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If Orgone is some sort of Jewish hoax how is it that it was debunked by Einstein?
[Note: What a brain, eh?]
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Originally Posted by ApolloGnomon
He makes a similar "sin by omission" complaint against Ranb in his "troll examples" thread.

Is there a specific logical fallacy name for using this in an argument? Or is this technique just too stupid to even merit mention?

I don't know if it has a formal name, but he does seem to do it a lot, as seen in this earlier post. It would seem that he thinks if you don't have an opinion on all the topics he considers to be important, you're not allowed to have opinions on any of them. [Note: this was linked to a post which "doesn't merit consideration" Craig 'answered', above]

How do you say "All or nothing" in Latin? "Cunctus aut nihil", does that sound good?
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[NUKELIES]

I found about 20 views of this site originated from the Randi forum, and went back to find a thread there - entertainingly stupid stuff misrepresenting this site, and also the source of a couple of the trolls who turned up here. I decided not to log in there as the number of resulting views seems likely to be negligible.

I started to register there, but they want to know my real name. I think their critical thinking only extends to the scientific non-orthodoxy.

I read the thread there about Nukelies. It's the usual, 'they must be idiots' stuff.

It's probably best that our message is not accepted by spin-doctor sites like this.

[rerevisionist]

'JREF' STATS TIME!!!

Out of interest, this is taken from their list of 27,000-ish members; these posted the highest numbers. (The descriptions after the ncknames seem to be their own choices)----

Darat - Lackey....................................... 2nd August 2001 ... 59,751
CFLarsen - Penultimate Amazing.................. 2nd August 2001 ... 42,804
AutoModAction - ....................................7th July 2006 ... 41,797
Prometheus - Liver Donor Emeritus .............. 14th November 2007 ... 40,073
WildCat - Master Conspirator .................... .22nd March 2003 ... 37,879
RandFan - Mormon Atheist....................... ..17th December 2001 ... 37,488
arthwollipot - Observer of Phenomena........... 10th February 2005 ... 37,334
Tricky - Briefly immortal ........................... 23rd November 2001 ... 37,166
The Central Scrutinizer - Penultimate Amazing.. 16th December 2001 ... 35,276
JihadJane - Penultimate Satisfaction......... ... 10th July 2008 ... 31,955
Darth Rotor - Salted Sith Cynic ....................4th August 2006 ... 31,932
a_unique_person - Director of Hatcheries and Conditioning ... 19th July 2002 ... 31,097
Skeptic Ginger - formerly skeptigirl............. 14th February 2005 ... 30,622
Rolfe - Anti-homeopathy illuminati member .... 11th September 2003 ... 28,774
Ron_Tomkins - Satan's Helper .................... 29th October 2007 ... 27,648
Dancing David - Penultimate Amazing ........... 26th March 2003 ... 27,618
Marquis de Carabas - Penultimate Amazing ......5th December 2002 ... 26,417
Hokulele - Official Nemesis ...................... 11th February 2007 ... 25,715
TragicMonkey - Poisoned Waffles ................ 28th June 2004 ... 24,657
UnrepentantSinner - A post by Alan Smithee ... 25th August 2001 ... 24,421
Pardalis - Penultimate Amazing .................. 31st March 2006 ... 24,241
Piscivore - Smelling fishy ........................ 17th May 2004 .... 24,156
geni - Anti-homeopathy illuminati member ... 14th October 2003 ... 23,833
ponderingturtle - Orthogonal Vector ........... 11th July 2006 ... 23,339
Soapy Sam - NLH ................................. 22nd October 2002 ....... 23,010
lionking - In the Peanut Gallery ..................23rd January 2007 ... 22,736
kittynh - The Hupsu Detective ................. 17th December 2002 ... 22,238
BenBurch - Gatekeeper of The Left ........... 26th September 2007 ... 22,175
fuelair - Cythraul Enfys ..........................6th May 2006 ... 22,096
Upchurch - Papa Funkosophy .................... 10th May 2002 ... 21,856
slingblade - Penultimate Amazing ............... 28th July 2005 ... 21,774
drkitten - Penultimate Amazing................. 19th March 2004 ... 21,647
Belz... - Fiend God ............................... 3rd October 2005 ... 21,591
Orphia Nay - Penultimate Amazing .............. 1st May 2005 ... 21,252
Ziggurat - Penultimate Amazing ................ 19th June 2003 ... 21,001
gumboot - lorcutus.tolere ..................... 18th June 2006 ... 20,837
T.A.M. - Keeper of the Kool-Vax .............. 24th July 2006 ... 20,816
kmortis - Biomechanoid - Chief IDIOT ........ 15th July 2005 ... 20,636
dudalb - Penultimate Amazing .................9th August 2007 ... 20,053
Dorian Gray - Hypocrisy Detector ............. 14th November 2002 ... 19,899
amb - Penultimate Amazing ................... 11th December 2007 ... 19,694
Beerina - Sarcastic Conqueror of Notions .....3rd March 2004 ... 19,597
Damien Evans - Up The Irons .................. 20th May 2007 ... 19,096
Mojo - Penultimate Amazing................... 22nd July 2004 ... 19,077
DC - dedicated aphilatelist..................... 20th March 2008 ... 18,879
JoeTheJuggler - Penultimate Amazing.........6th June 2006 ... 18,732
LashL - Goddess of Legaltainment™ .......... 11th August 2006 ... 18,319
Paul C. Anagnostopoulos - Nap, interrupted.... 2nd August 2001 ... 18,124
Cleon - King of the Pod People................ 27th August 2001 ... 18,108
Lisa Simpson - THE Lisa Simpson.............. 1st March 2004 ... 18,050
Horatius - NWO Kitty Wrangler.................9th May 2006 ... 18,038
thaiboxerken - Penultimate Amazing ....... 16th September 2001 ... 17,799
BPSCG - Cannibal ............................. 26th March 2002 ... 17,556
beachnut - Penultimate Amazing ........... 19th October 2006 ... 17,217
tsig - a carbon based life-form.............. 25th November 2005 ... 17,170
Gravy - Downsitting Citizen.................. 27th March 2006 ... 17,113
zooterkin - Nitpicking dilettante............. 21st March 2007 ... 17,040
Oliver - ~The Rascal~ ..........................12th August 2006 ... 16,930
Akhenaten - Heretic Pharaoh ................ 2nd November 2007 ... 16,597
Mercutio - Shakespeare's Sock Puppet...... 31st March 2003 ... 16,325
Dave Rogers - Anonymous sniper ........... 29th January 2007 ... 16,297
dafydd - Penultimate Amazing ............. 14th February 2008 ... 16,217
shanek - by Charles M. Schulz .............. 2nd August 2001 ... 15,990
joobz - Tergiversator......................... 31st August 2006 ... 15,840
Foolmewunz - Grammar Resistance Leader... 11th August 2006 ... 15,742
jj - grumpy old skeptic ..................... 10th October 2001 ... 15,625
CapelDodger - Penultimate Amazing ...... 11th September 2001 ... 15,389
Mycroft - High Priest of Ed ................ 10th September 2003 ... 15,187
leftysergeant - Penultimate Amazing ..... 13th July 2007 ... 14,981
Bell - beautiful ................................9th September 2006 ... 14,869
chillzero - Domestic Godless .................11th December 2002 ... 14,741
--- lots more; most of the mass posters have avatars ---

The founding date (from the same list) appears to be 10th April 2001 with Randall's own sign-in, with 22 July 2001 being the start of other peoples' registrations. Capeldodger (listed above) joined on Sept 11th 2001. It's even possible the thing was set up, or hijacked, as a disinformation source, in the anticipation and then the reality of 9/11.

The posting record appears to be held by 'Prometheus' and 'JihadJane', with about 200 postings on average every week for three or fours years. However, this excludes prolific recent joiners who haven't had time to build up a large total. Also, obviously, some posters may use more than one name.

A few of these people showed up re NukeLies here.
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To get some feeling for the utter threadbare piffle 'JREF'' encourages - 'educational' is obviously a joke - look at the members list, sort by number of posts, select a prolific poster, go to 'View Public Profile', select 'Show All Statistics', then select 'Find All Threads Started by [nickname]'. Or select 'Find All Posts By' [nickname] though the originator material presumably gives a better indicator of the knowledge, outlook etc of the poster.
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There's another site - skeptic dot com - which is closely similar to 'JREF'.

[voerioc]

We can also notice that, "of course", many of them claim they have worked in nuclear submarines or in nuclear power plant, whereas the probability of having so many people having this kind of experience in just one forum is very limited.

It was the same thing in the "above top secret" forum (a jewish controlled forum). There was a thread about nuke myth on it. And, same thing, there was many of them claiming to have worked in nuclear submarines or power plants. False testimonies are always used by jews in order to convince people of something. [Emphasis inserted 4-Aug-2015. It is indeed part of the 'jewish 'religious' system - RW].

LSSBB :
I have been in the nuclear plant of a submarine, and been on board that submarine underwater for over two weeks observing its operations first hand. There was no other source of power than the nuclear power plant.

My best friend and countless co-workers I know have worked in nuclear power plants on submarines, aircraft carriers, and electrical power generating stations. None have intimated it was all an elaborate hoax.

My son is currently in training to run nuclear power plants.

Castemate1
Just like the nuclear powered icebreaker I spent some time on.

Sam.I.Am
I hate to break it to you but nuclear power is very real. I have spent over 2 years in total underwater over 8 strategic deterrent patrols along with taking a boat out of a shipyard and even test firing the weapons systems.

tsig
Funny, I worked on nuclear weapons for four years in the USAF and they sure looked real.

Captain_Swoop
We carried 'Special Weapons' onthe AS Frigates I serverd on in the 80s. Nuclear Depth Bombs . They were to take out Russian Subs if the war started. We trained in their use and were prepared to use them if the orders came.

And it was just on the first page.

[ApolloGnomon]

Old Today, 11:54 AM #211
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I'm unemployed, with a BA+BFA,(anthropology+film making) DSL and OCD. I find your pathetic attempts character assassination mildly irksome, like an itchy ankle.

Instead of attempting to discredit me by noting my post count on some other forum, (if you want more basis of comparison, check on me at Icke and Apollohoax ) perhaps you could present actual evidence discrediting statements I've made on THIS forum?

[rerevisionist]

No, thanks. I'm not interested. You're a timewaster.

[rerevisionist]

More boring troll rubbish from JREF....
... these posts were essentially removed from a nukelies thread. I'll quote them here in case someone says I'm being nasty etc.

Ah. I see my post was moved again from Science, Maths etc.

I'd recommend anyone serious to look at http://www.nukelies.com - updated to nukelies.org (incidentally we've added a multilingual outreach thing with machine translations - they sometimes attract casual googlers. We included e.g. Azerbaijani, Latvian, Hindi... I hadn't known Georgian has its own Hobbit-like script). I think it's having some effect - we've had a couple of views from Hiroshima - I hope their tourist industry isn't too worried.

The meat of the site is arranged a nuclear bomb myths (past), and nuclear bomb myths (future), the latter dealing with escape strategies they're trying to use to phase out supposed bombs - Ward Wilson of the 'Monterey Insitute' is an interesting example of the way past 'facts' are diluted and adjusted. There's also obviously a section on Hiroshima & Nagasaki, and one on science/ technology.
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Anyway I want to reply specifically to three complainants, ApolloGnomon, Ranb, and Dinwar.

ApolloGnomon appears to be an unemployed graduate in - I think anthropology. He posted a series of comments on the 'moon landings'. There are of course countless arguments against these, but specifically biological ones, such as problems with food, water, oxygen, temperature, and excretion, haven't been common. (As far as I know). Thus it would have made sense for NASA to build a vacuum chamber, equip it with heating and lighting equivalent to the sun on the moon, and instal something like cooling walls to simulate the effects of deep space. Then the 'astronauts' could go out in their suits and backpack into the vacuum chamber and live for a few days. If they were serious, NASA would of course have done this. ApolloGnomon simply continued to quote or paste material claiming e.g. NASA had tests done on fabric. In short, he's a timewaster.

RanB is a different type of spammer. He typed a few dozen posts, which are still on the site, though he doesn't show as the author on searching. (Search for Ranb in content). He's one of these irritating spammers who supplies nothing new, nothing referenced, nothing substantial. He wasted time for example on the Ferebee bombsight issue, which FirstClassSkeptic researched, and proved there was only a 50% chance of even getting near Hiroshima.

Here are two specimen postings by 'Ranb'

Re: NASA - to what extent was/is this a Jewish fraud?
I have examined the evidence, the Apollo moon landings were real. Therefore it was not a fraud, much less a jewish run fraud. Every piece of "evidence" that a person has brought forward as an Apollo hoax has been inadequate. What is your best evidence?
Ranb

I see nothing convincing that an atomic bomb was not used. Why do you believe this?
Ranb

Ranb is another timewaster, of the sort that JREF encourage because they aren't interested in serious debate.

[Warning note added 30 August 2014] 'RanB' was a persistent troll on this site. Here's an entry (about three years later) in James Randi's disinfo site. Habitual liars find it hard to tell the truth...]

Dinwar says somewhere that the facts have been known for over half a century or something similar, implying that it's unreasonable to ask for something new from contributors. In point of fact it is not true that all the facts are known. And what's important also is interpretation. For example, I doubt whether the financing arrangements of the Manhattan Project by Alexander Sachs have been made public. I doubt whether archival information is available about Stalin's decisions to invade (or not) Europe and Japan after the announcement of 'nuclear weapons'. I doubt whether the experiment supposedly causing Einstein to write to FDR has been replicated - the evidence suggests it is highly suspect, since for example some of the experiments took weeks and any temperature rise must have been hard to measure, and such products as supposedly barium would be difficult to detect. Similarly the orders followed by US occupation forces in Japan as regards censorship are unlikely to be available. Just a few of a multiplicity of problems.

Frenat, I understand your puzzlement over original ideas - presumably you've never had any, so it's not a request you could understand.

As for testing euqipment in a moon-like environment, well, the theory was this was to be a new achievement unlike anything attempted before. Now, for example pilots use what are called flight simulator - I don't know if you've heard of them - which try to realistically simulate what a plane or other craft would be like to handle. If someone's being sent out to a hostile terrain unlike anything ever attempted, it seems reasonable enough to test the whole thing, including the burdens imposed on the crew.

sts60 [Note: sts60 claimed (It so happens I personally participated in spacecraft thermal vac testing in the very same chamber in the '90s, so I am reasonably familiar with said facility.) though he disappointingly added nothing] after a bit of googling on Chamber B and 'thermovacuum testing' I found just these two stills on the NASA website. Both captioned Astronaut Neil Armstrong during thermovacuum training, and both dated 1969-05-07; are they convincing proof of thorough training?-- [pictures as in the piece on NASA and vacuums]

I don't personally find those very convincing. However you're claiming to have been there (or something). Maybe you could explain whether the 'astronaut' equipment was tested over several days, for example? Or maybe you have more information.

Craig4 there's plenty of scientific, and historical, information on the site. It would need you to read it, though.

Dancing David - you don't seem able to distinguish different hypotheses. It's possible that radioactive isotopes exist, but that nuclear weapons can't work. It's possible that accidents can happen which are not nuclear-related. It's possible that the function of some installation is not as popularly understood. It's possible a lot of heat may be generated, but a thing won't explode.