by rerevisionist » 04 Jul 2011 11:59
A Few Notes on World War 2 Filming and Photographs. Inserted 21 July 2015
Priesthoodagitator = FirstClassSkeptic I've been watching some WWII documentary moves. They all had movie cameras. The Germans, British, Americans, Japanese, Russians, were all taking a hell of a lot of pictures. The one documentary I was watching even had a chapter talking about all of the motion pictures and still pictures being taken in WWII, the most photographed war, up to that time, at least. The photographers would expose film and send it back immediately. It would be developed back at someplace safe, understandably enough.
And I've seen several films of bombs dropping from planes, and falling all the say to the ground, and exploding. And some in color So why no such picture of Little Boy and Fat Man?
rerevisionist Good point. David Irving I think had or saw such film of WW2. I remember that fighter planes, or some of them, had cameras to record their 'kills' or (more often) their misses of planes. I wonder if Kodachrome, which appeared for the public I think after 1945, was a wartime product. Maybe cine film with sprockets was reused by scraping off the emulsion? Lookout Mountain must have had mountains of old film, kept away from the public. There must have been film of weapons experiments: I remember Bertie Russell in his book on Vietnam talked about gory photos of Vietnamese whose head was shot off 'leaving just a stump' - censored from the public, of course. Come to think of it, I remember a British soldier telling me they'd seen a film of the effects of nerve gas, apparently on a condemned murderer who chose to be experimented on. There must be immense stores of such films.
Are there any photographs of the 'Atom Bombing' taken from the ground by Japanese on August 6 and Aug 9 1945?
For some time I assumed there were no photographs claimed to show bombing, taken by Japanese people. (Partly by analogy with Britain - I can't think of a single well-known photographic image of WW2 bombs in Britain. And I'd never seen one for Japan. Apart from the question of getting the equipment and film and processing, in the last stages of a war, there's the issue of censorship).
However several photographs appear online claiming to show 'the mushroom cloud'. I've looked at Hiroshima in detail here (not Nagasaki) and tried to find details - including by use of google.jp, and online translators, though these don't usually handle proper names. There are only three principal photographs, neither showing any general scenery. They could be genuine - but showing the effects of firebombing; they could show firebombing in some other location - I haven't attempted to collate the points from which they were supposedly photographed with the actual view which would have been seen; they could be faked; or they could as claimed show the after effect of an atomic bomb exploded in the air. I leave it to you to judge. The first appearances of these photographs all post-date 1945 by a number of years - at least as far as I could discover from Internet. Moreover, one has to wonder why these people only took one picture of what is presented as a horrific and unusual event. (And there are no doubt copyright issues - there seem to be different sets of photographs in circulation).
Photographs by three Japanese--
Seizo Yamada. 1 photo - this is the largest online version I could find, and may not display properly - type Ctrl - to shrink it-- Seizo Yamada's photo seems to have been first published in 1949 in this book-
Yoshito Matsushige [4 photos first printed in
Asahi Gurafu in August 1952; only one shows a 'mushroom cloud'; I was unable to find a large version, but certainly it looks suspect-]
The others are general scenes, this one possibly showing smoke in the background sky, or possibly just poor developing of the print or negative-
Toshio Fukada ?? ?? no comment on this one!