[rerevisionist]

Fred Hoyle is credited with coining the term Big Bang during a 1949 radio broadcast. - says Wikipedia. The idea came from an earlier idea, the expanding universe - something reliant on observations with telescopes and spectroscopes, equipment entirely outside the range of most people. So far as I know, Halton Arp spearheaded opposition to the idea of continual expansion - I heard him lecture once and he was rational and rather modest - so perhaps 'spearhead' isn't quite the right word. Anyway, if you assume continual expansion, then some initial big bang seems plausible... Even if the idea of the entire universe being contained in a pinhead-sized universe is hard to swallow. The latter seems to come from mathematical discontinuities - 'what is 1 divided by zero' type of thing.

I'm just making the possibly obvious link with a nuclear explosion as presented then - a big bang satisfying enough for schoolboys and militarists (as Russell might have written).

[bamzam]

If you would like to understand the true source of the pseudoscience being perpetrated on mankind today you have to understand the cosmology of Kabbalistic Jews. The following site exposes this and shows how ingrained this thinking has become and perpetuates modern physics and the great con that is NASA. They approach the deception from a rather staunch Christian position but I hope this doesn't dissuade anyone from exploring this exhaustive site or the fact that they believe the sun goes around the earth.

https://www.fixedearth.com/nasas_spiritual_roots.htm
https://www.fixedearth.com/nasas_hanky-panky.htm

https://www.fixedearth.com

[rerevisionist]

[1] Are you by any chance 'moonsshow' [with that spelling] on Youtube, who also is 'A.T.M.'? He's a 'fixed earth' person, but seems to be Portuguese as far as we know to date.

[2] Thanks for the links. The point I was making was that the supposed sheer size of these bombs was impressive, and intended to be impressive. I don't think at the time of gunpowder, anyone would have imagined it was a huge enough blast to generate a whole universe - although come to think of it Henry VIII was said to have 'enough cannon to conquer Hell'. But the modern hype, no doubt fraudulent, inserted the bigger idea more or less unconsciously.

[3] It's never been clear to me what the 'Kabbala' actually is, and to what extent e.g. the 'Zohar' was made up, and whether it's one unified body of approved material, since of course like a lot of supposedly Jewish material it's pretty much buried in obscurity - especially the anti-Christian stuff. However, the extracts given don't seem to even mention a big bang. However, I see your/their point about a mechanism which doesn't need god(s), just as evolution is a mechanism which doesn't need god(s). And there is some connection between religious views of Christians and cosmology - the 'days of creation' for example resembling geological periods, and 'let there be light' as something to do with a 'big bang'. I don't think that site you quote does a very good job on showing that supposed mass/energy conversions or speed of light as a limit are based on unconscious Jewish assumptions, though.

[4] There's some material on NASA and telescopes - they've taken lots of NASA-esque buzzwords and quoted them. Since NASA unquestionably faked the moon material, and some of the Mars material is fake, the question must be what their limits of fakery are. It wouldn't surprise me if the Saturn's rings pictures are fake, for example, since getting that data from so far away looks very suspect. So it's perfectly possible they bullshit about telescopes, and fake other images of the night sky - as in the Hubble telescope. But the author(s) of that site seem to confuse that with 'virtual reality' - they seem to have been overwhelmed by that phrase and been impressed more than they need to be.

[EyesWideOpen]

This theory actually makes the most sense to me....

The Enlarging Earth Theory:

The Earth is growing and has increased in size, thus splitting the continental crust into 7 pieces as it expands; resulting in new ocean floor being created. Different but similarly, what happens to the Sun? It gradually gets bigger. What happens to a plant seed? It gradually gets bigger. What happens to a baby animal? It gradually gets bigger. What happens to the Universe? It gradually expands. Likewise, all the planets get bigger as well.

For those with a healthy mind and a desire to learn, please watch the following short videos.

Historical German Background of the Theory
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOp8j6eOBlI

Computer animation showing the Earth growing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJfBSc6e7QQ

How about Mars growing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeUEzM7hsmY

How about Mars impacted by asteroids
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d44Jj_3gp-M

Mars Moon growing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Fsg1XJTbKA

Earths Moon growing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBT8KyWVxj8

To learn more about this theory and watch more videos explaining it, please visit: https://www.nealadams.com/nmu.html

*Children's Science Experiment -- First blow a balloon half way up. Then cut out the individual continents so they are large enough to join together and cover the entire balloon like a puzzle. Put a few small pieces of tape under each continent so you can stick them onto the balloon. Finally, slowly start to blow up the balloon and watch the continents move apart! The Earth was once covered by water but as the Continents moved apart the oceans between continents were created by water run off and thus more dry land appears.

[bamzam]

Thanks for your reply rerevisionist, I'm glad to have found a forum where I could post a link like that and have it responded to in such a concise and tolerant manner. No I am not this moonshaw person but I will be looking him up shortly to get his perspective on the subject.

I agree with what you're saying, and I think now we're entering into a media saturated era through Discovery Channel programs and Documentaries, CGI, surround sound and now 3D, where the premise of a Big Bang is well accepted and readily visualized. Even the Catholic Church accepts it in the manner that you mentioned with the "in the beginning was the light" rationale. I would say that now they need the big bang to sell us Nuclear destructive capacity.

The site is quite vast and somewhat haphazard, I found this link that addresses the kabala/zohar issue somewhat better.

https://www.fixedearth.com/Sola%20Scriptura%20IV.htm

I agree on the whole virtual reality phrase obsession. I found their comments on the type of cameras and photographic techniques more useful. As with most of the site there is a challenge not only in navigation but also to filter some of their emphatic expressions.

[FirstClassSkeptic]

According to the 13th c. mystic, Moses de Leon, "The beginning of existence is the secret concealed point. This is the beginning of all the hidden things, which spread out from there and emanate, according to their species. He said that, as emanation proceeds, as God begins to unfold, the point expands into a circle. Similarly, ever since the big bang, our universe has been expanding in all directions

https://espg.sr.unh.edu/preceptorial/Not ... Brink.html

The Big Bang Kabbalah Theory
By BG / February 16, 2007


The Anti-Defamation League is demanding an apology from Representative Ben Bridges for perpetuating "repugnant images of Jews" in a memo for proclaiming that the Big Bang Theory has its roots in Kabbalah. Bridge's memo specifically calls for all to visit this anti-evolution site and espouses that evolution is a byproduct of Judaism.

"Indisputable evidence — long hidden but now available to everyone — demonstrates conclusively that so-called 'secular evolution science' is the Big Bang, 15-billion-year, alternate 'creation scenario' of the Pharisee Religion," the memo said. "This scenario is derived concept-for-concept from Rabbinic writings in the mystic 'holy book' Kabbala dating back at least two millennia."

Bridges has long opposed the teaching of evolution in Georgia classrooms and has introduced legislation requiring only that "scientific fact" be taught in school.

https://www.jewcy.com/post/the_big_bang_kabbalah_theory

[bamzam]

I just heard the Senator of Missouri while speaking on the Joplin disaster say that "the images on the media do not do justice to what it is like on the ground, and the closest (he) could compare the destruction to is a nuclear disaster." How ironic, the TV doesn't fully express the reality of the destruction but if you want to compare the scale to another real destructive event think of a nuclear bomb. We don't even realize how deeply entrenched our idea of complete destruction is tied to the nuke. It represents the ultimate shit hitting the fan and every living microbe vaporized in the blink of an eye.

[FirstClassSkeptic]

The imagery of an all powerful nuclear blast probably added to the ease with which the Big Bang theory could be inculcated into the average, or unthinking, mind.

What I could never figure is; the Big Bang is promulgated by humanists, or atheists, usually, who seemingly are trying to explain the existence of a universe without a supernatural creator, but how does it? "There is no God; the universe just exploded out of a ball of matter." But where did that matter come from? What caused the explosion? It doesn't solve the problem.

[Sorensen731]

Unfortunately, it's the same. JudoChristian Genesis or JewishScience. No other alternative ever reaches the public.
You are either worthless apes, or second-rate Jehova worshippers.
We live in 2011 after Christ, but all other 'legends or mythologies' are pure lies, "imagined", unlike Christ, Mahoma or Moises.
The race/people who created art and science invented things out of boredom, and shouldn't be trusted or researched, but the tales of a known race of liars are "serious undisputed events".

Our modern world came to being in a pack, two/three centuries ago, and it's key components were;

Destruction of everything previous, cultures, traditions, religions, nations and specially languages.
Imposition of Latin everywhere, even those not conquered by the "romans" ended with latin alphabets (or it's half-brother Cyrillic)

This could have happened by external factors, climatic disasters, catastrophic events, or conquest, war, infiltration or all.

With Latin, came Judeo-Christianity and Roman "Law", substituting jury trials and active judges interested in finding the truth were changed with silent laissez-fairez attitude that helped the best oratory.(And a hidden secret working of the real Law, based on canon and mercantile law, with citizens being dead bodies or cargoes to be salvaged like wood in the sea, with Lawyers being worse than a soviet spy)

Countries occupied with Jewish-created religions used Inquisitions in the first stage of pure violence to subjugate, with book burnings, witchhunts, crusades, sacred wars, helped by the stupidity of voluntary confessions!

Former languages erased, and sent into a very distant past by the faked history, an explosion of cities began, helping the spread of the new language, and new schooling, controlled by the church created the "new world", the official (fake) history was inculcated, in universities too. From universities to (Jewish)Masonic controlled Academies of "Sciences", which had one objective only, a wasted career for all who were gullible enough to fall in their indoctrination.

History and Science are the most important influences.

Information is power. Believing we would be given accurate information is wishful thinking. Absurd.

If for example, nukes or equivalent were possible, I wouldn't give the ingredients and designs for free to everybody! I would lie and give foreign countries a bad path so they waste years! If I were the government, I would do the same, to keep superiority over my subjects.
And mixed with it, exaggeration of my capabilities too.

If I were to create a HomeSchooling Curriculum, Art of War would be the first item.

But back to this post, I wouldn't stop at the Big Bang, I would go farther, to the concept of the Earth, the Solar System, the Atmosphere.
In mountaineering they have a code to verify who really was the first, by writing a diary, leaving a personal item, and waiting until a neutral part verifies it.
With high-altitude/atmospheric/"space" we have only one side, the Allies, and no neutral, external parts have ever verified anything.

The nuke industry is closely related with the "space" industry. Both highly secretive, securitized, government controlled and with the "terrorist" card to use against exposers.

And revisionist, you are everywhere! You saw Alton Haarp? I heard about him too, and Eric Lerner had a book against the BigBong too.

Another "benefit" of the nuke hoax (for the creators) is that it may direct terrorists or foreign governments in a bad path, instead of a more productive and dangerous like germ warfare, gas, or standard warfare, sabotage, etc...

But in general I recommend to go further back, to the Royal Academy of Sciences.

[rerevisionist]

Sorensen - I wish you'd order your thoughts a bit better. However, to be fair your English is better than my Spanish.

[1] You seem to be contrasting the Christian, or Judeo-Christian, view with somethign you don't mention - paganism?

[2] The entire 'Christian' tradition seems to be in the process of being renamed 'Judeo-Christian', no doubt as a result of Jewish influence. (For example, Geert WIlders in a recent speech referred to Athens, Rome - and Jerusalem! Maybe someone will add Baghdad soon).

[3] My view of Christianity is that it was imposed by Rome, top down, in an attempt to save the Roman Empire. ('Constantine, then Theodosius, 380 AD'). It's like the EU, which attempt to pretend that nations are wrong and everyone should love everyone else - except of course for wars against other groups. Christianity was 'political correctness' of its time. They didn't want tribes within the empire fighting each other.

[4] I don't see why Jews should have played any part in this process. Rome fought assorted groups - Scots/Pict, Germanii, Dacians, Cathaginians, etc etc and presumably regarded Jews as just another pain in the arse group.

[5] However, I agree there's a weakness in this view, which is that the Bible, compiled I'm told something like 250 AD, has a huge chunk of writings attributed to Jews in it. The New Testament involved inventing the 'Jesus' character and other things; but why have an Old Testament at all?

[6] During the entire 'Middle Ages' period between Rome and the recognisably modern world the Church, and the various split-off and new bits such as the Russian and Greek Orthodox churches, regarded Jews as something of a nuisance, and must have co-operated in their expulsion.

Amyway - my conclusion is that 'Judeo-Christian' is just a deliberate relabelling to try to hide the fact that 'Christendom', insofar as it was a unit, had little interest or interaction with Jews. You mention 'Jewish-created religions', Jewish created Inquisitions, Jewish-Masonic science all together, as though they all exist, and are unified; which seems unlikely - for one thing there was little science until fairly recently. Law is another complicated issue, and I'm not sure how serious you are in trying to identify the way it's been changed to suit interest groups around the world.

[Sorensen731]

You are right.
If you read Spanish, I recommend a 30 pages essay, which analyzes the Religious issue and it's significance.
https://www.megaupload.com/?d=ARQCZS4D

In English, online easily available,
Voice of Our Ancestors, by Wulf Sorensen.

It's a different view of history, very much needed.

1.Yes, so called paganism, a great "modern" exposer of it is Savitri Devi Mukherji , his book "Impeachment of Men" for example, and "Joy of the Sun: The Beautiful Life of Akhnaton, King of Egypt", "Defiance too has some chapters on that subject".
It's the Jews who sacrificed innocent animals as an absurd crazy way to honor creation, by destroying it.
They broke the Natural Order, of respect to Nature, it's differences and a just, healthy compassion with a exploitation view and an anti-defence and pacifist view, preparing the way for the Jews to take over, weakening us and eliminating nation's traditions and religions to a uniform world-government, as today.
2.I disagree, Christianity is nothing without judaism, it's serious jewish origins are hidden in order to be sold easier to gentiles.
3.Possibly, but for me, an Empire has to be worth it, not just for the sake of it, I'm tired of the Roman Worshipping (whoever they were).
7.The main opposition to Christianity was either Masons (jewish controlled) or Bolshevics. Or PublicMedia "Science".
About Science, the public knows less today than hundreds years ago, they "know" a lot of lies, they "know" the speed of light, the distance to the sun, the e equals blabla, that matter is 99% empty! That electrons are shared, "orbiting" like our own planet. That is, they know nothing. They repeat imaginary tales which they haven't seen and which they can't prove. I'd take Socrates back.
I'm for a coherent, courageous, independent third alternative, which you suspect what it is. Continue their work. And today Christianity won't
escape as it did before for tactical reasons. It's not necessary to contain oneself because 80% of the population are Christian, they are not today.
And they are mislead, Family defense is not a Christian invention, you can defend it outside their theology, the same with healthy sex views, and good morals. And helping and protecting a woman who cheats his husband, as Jesus did is not a good value, I will not concede that point, "maybe they exaggerated, but he had good values" he did not.
More than paganism, pre-Christian, I want to pass them not on the left as many today, but on the right, if this words ever had meaning...
Sorry for my poor English.