[NUKELIES]

For the record: The following exchange took place on this site: http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.ph ... 2&start=75

Re: Nuke Hoax
by Rerevisionist » December 19th, 2011, 12:08 am

Thanks, Simonshack; I'm grateful. (It's rather saddening to see forums on utterly trivial topics getting millions of hits..)

I don't know Jesse much - I've spoken on the phone, and exchanged emails. Nukelies has had intermittent mention of freemasons, but so far as I know he's never claimed or 'admitted' to be one. Added later: now I come to think of it, I may have asked him about this during our phone chat, and I think he did say he was a 'member', if that's the right word. I should have made notes.

Re: Nuke Hoax
by Gary-Welz » December 19th, 2011, 4:32 pm

I thought, for what it's worth, someone like Jesse should be able to withstand the utmost scrutiny since new forum members are being scrutinised on a daily basis. Guess it's just a selective thing...

"should be able to withstand the utmost scrutiny" ????? I do not owe anyone anything.

Re: Nuke Hoax
by Rerevisionist » December 19th, 2011, 7:12 pm

Yes. I spoke to him on the phone because he was in Britain - I was amazed, since he was in New York at 9/11 and was obviously a New Yorker. He travels around a lot, however. I had a long chat, partly to check he was the same person that did the vo of Nuke Lies. He sounded OK but *I think* may have said in passing he was in the freemasons, and if I remember he gave it little importance. Come to think of it I may as well ask him to state his posiiton on the site.

I have sometimes wondered whether nukes were definitely a hoax, but maybe someone finally got them to work, so there's a movement to try to get other people to stop work on them. The only definitive evidence, as with nuclear power, is to carry out physical investiagtions at some point.

[rerevisionist]

Yes - that site is the best I've yet found on 9/11 and I wanted to be on good terms - see red entry below for an example of a good quality video. I hope my description of you didn't seem unflattering or nasty - it's always difficult giving a third party description.

ADDED LATER - Posting by 'Simonshack' on Youtube

of four actors pretending to be grief stricken at deaths of their 'loved ones'. http://www.septemberclues.info
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But I think the scrutiny thing makes sense - if I find a site is run or funded by some group, I take it a lot less seriously. It's possible we're funded by some secret military pressure group, for example. So I assume the chap meant well. Anyway, it's why I thought the Freemasonry statement useful.

[voerioc]

As there are many forums about conspiracies which are in fact controlled by jews, It"s natural for smart people to doubt about every new forum talking about conspiracies.

But there are for things which can make us think that this forum isn't a trap.

1) We can talk about jews freely. As masons are puppets of jews, if this forum was a masonic or (directly) a Jewish creation, we wouldn't be allowed to talk about jews freely. Very soon, Nukelies would have said that jews aren't the main problem and that he doesn't want us to talk about them anymore. It isn't the case.

2) Nukelies has created two forums. This one, and the contagion myth forum ( http://contagionmyth dot com/ ). rerevisionist is the guy who mainly manages this forum, and I am the one who mainly manages the other one.

So, the doubt falls in fact mainly on rerevisionist and me. I don't know about rerevisionist, but he seems reliable.

Of course, you may think that rerevisionist and I just manage the forum. So if Nukelies wants to sack us, he can. And then, he will be able to erase all the messages which criticize the jews, or which reveal too important secrets. But the fact is, rerevisionist and I are able to save the database of the two forums. So, if Nukelies wanted to fire us, we could recreate another forum elsewhere with the database we possess.

Is this a behaviour of someone who is tricking us ? I don't think so. If he was a mason trying to deceive us, it would be stupid to let rerevisionist and I to be able to save the database, and if he decided to sack us, to be able to say "fuck you. We are gonna recreate another forum with the database".

This is mainly why I don't think this forum is a deceit.

Of course, the question then fall on rerevisionist and me. But I know I am not an agent or a jewish sayanim. So, I know it would be fool from Nukelies to give me the keys of the Contagion Myth forum if he was an agent.

3) A third reason is the fact that there isn't any troll on those two forums. If they were a mason/Jewish thing, you can be sure we would have tons of trolls always answering stupidly and with bad faith to smart guys on important topics, as we can see for example on abovetopsecret, which is clearly Jewish controlled.

4) Same thing, but a little bit different. It seems that on the forums they control, jews try to avoid that people talk about too many conspiracies. For example, on a 9/11 forum, they will talk only about 9/11. And if some guy tries to talk about nuke lies, or the Aids scam, etc.., agents will begin to flood the topic with stupid answers in order to sabotage it.

It's a containment strategy. They try separate the conspiracies into different sealed logical containers. You don't see this here.

They also try to avoid the revelation of completely new theories. On those kind of forums, if someone comes with something which is completely new (and compromising for jews), they will ridicule this theory. It's not the case here.

[NUKELIES]

While Rerevisionist has shown himself to be an excellent researcher and administrator, and Voerioc has proven that he has truly exceptional intuitive capacity, and FirstClassSkeptic has demonstrated startlingly profound common sense, I hope that I, NUKELIES, have exhibited an extraordinary ability to think critically. I write this not to bring praise upon myself, but as an explanation of why I might have been able to come up with my own agenda.

I am finding it surprising that there are not many forums like NUKE LIES. All other forums I can think of are riddled with the problems cited by Voerioc in his previous post. Perhaps the quality and freedom of our forum is due to Rerevisionist's scrutiny of new members. Perhaps it is also due to my independence.

Being suspected of being an agent irks me as I have put a considerable amount of effort into getting the word out that I question the existence of nuclear bombs - based on my intellectual frustration that people refuse to consider the possibility that nuclear bombs might not exist, as well as my altruistic desire to help free people from their shackles of fear. Being constantly suspected of dishonesty is like being slapped in the face over and over again for being truthful. Actually, I just realized that that is the story of my life.

Anyways, I have admitted I am a Freemason, and I explained why I take a neutral stance on Judaism, so take it or leave it. Judge the site based on its information, and stop wondering at my motives. Perhaps I should be flattered when people's suspicion betrays their surprise that an uncompromised individual might be able to get his voice heard.

[rerevisionist]

You're underestimating me (in my modest opinon). The reason I administer this well is because I have a sound background in statistics and sciences and computing, and also in history and philosophies and visuals, and in rather ill-defined matters such as interviewing, possessing my own research documents in many subjects, and knowing a fair number of sound people. I also have a feeling for historical processes and possible futures, and for subjects which don't yet exist. In short, I know what I'm talking about. And I can write.

But I agree it is worrying that there aren't more forums like this one.

[enjneer]

Posting by 'Simonshack' on Youtube

of four actors pretending to be grief stricken at deaths of their 'loved ones'.

Wicked... Thanks for this video link—what happened to the "passengers" and other "victims" has always been the most nagging and lingering issue for me from 9/11. I'll probably be on YouTube for a couple hours after I click on all the "suggested videos" after this one.

But, seriously. thanks.

[NUKELIES]

That "9/11 Actors" video by Simonshack is essentially the no planes theory, which is a diversion. Though I personally saw no planes hit the WTC, nor did I see any people jumping, I have no problem believing that drone planes were used as missiles, and judging by the hundreds or thousands of missing posters I saw around lower Manhattan for the two years after 9/11, I do not see any reason to doubt that people died when the buildings fell. I saw firemen engulfed in the huge dust cloud when the south tower collapsed, and there is a memorial at the fire fighter museum in Soho which is composed of one or two hundred photo-tiles showing the faces of firemen who died - mostly with Anglo, Irish and Italian names by the way.

I think Simonshack used to be on ConCen - Conspiracy Central tracker - and contacted me when the no planes theory was new around 2006. I had done a TurnSpeak episode in which I questioned the existence of nuclear bombs, and this attracted the wrath of many members on the ConCen forums - who were at that time the most open minded people on the internet. If I remember correctly, Simonshack thought I would easily come on board the no planes theory forum they had set up. But I saw the pointlessness of it immediately. Who cares whether the planes were real? It was nano-thermite that demolished the buildings regardless of what type of missiles they were struck with. And I don't believe for a second the forces that destroyed the WTC wouldn't have been willing to sacrifice a few thousand lives for their "greater good."

A more valid related topic is what happened to the supposed passengers of the purported commercial flights?

The no planes theory is obfuscation. I think some adherents to the theory are sincere, but it is used as an annoying red herring. How the buildings were destroyed is much less important than who destroyed them and why.

[rerevisionist]

NUKELIES-
... judging by the hundreds or thousands of missing posters I saw around lower Manhattan for the two years after 9/11, I do not see any reason to doubt that people died when the buildings fell.

Another simonshack video names the Jewish PR/ publicist who probably faked all the Xerox messages to give the impression of a large number of victims. Simonshack makes the point - why put posters up anyway? At first sight it seems a reaction of concerned people, but If those people weren't in the towers they'd have just gone home. They're not like missing pets - or maybe that's how goyim are viewed. There's further evidence in the way they are worded and the images of the supposed people. If I can relocate the video I'll post it, but it should be easy enough to find on septemberclues.info site.

I don't agree that it's pointless to discuss the no planes idea. If the scam is deciphered completely, you have pointers to other possible frauds, both future and past. But of course I agree the perpetrators are the most important thing.

[NUKELIES]

You're right about the importance of details. And your point about the pointlessness of missing posters is correct, but people wouldn't necessarily react logically to their loss. The variety of designs and materials used to create missing posters, and the number and variety of locations where they were placed suggests that they could have been real. If there's one thing I think we can afford to indulge a little, it's the possibility that people really did die in 9/11.

The one instance I immediately suspected of being fake was the installation of stickers showing victims' names which lined the subway walls at Union Square Station starting around 2004.

For what it's worth - the cousin of a good friend was killed in the WTC in 9/11 - or at least went permanently missing. Also, I saw firemen entering the demolition prior to the second tower falling who wouldn't have had much of a chance of survival. The worst instance of this was a group of six to eight firemen carrying a stretcher or something into the dust cloud. One of them looked at me and the image burnt into my head - I saw death in his eyes. It sounds irrational I'm sure, but the whole thing was a terrible experience full of dread.