[rerevisionist]

This is a new subject to me [written March 2011] as it is to almost everyone - only about a year ago I looked at Jesse's video; after that I found Roger Desjardins and perhaps others maybe preceded him. My 'revisionist' views generally have been formed by the Russell Tribunal on the Vietnam War, and then, much later, revisionism in biology, Shakespeare, some physics topics, First World War, then Second World War, Jews, the existence or not of Jesus, 9/11, Korean War, paper money and its effects, and very many other topics.

I want to summarise the present state of 'nuke revisionism' both for people inclined to believe in it, and sceptics. The only assumption I'm making is that you have an interest in truth (and probably a dislike of liars and disinformants).

[1] Nuclear science. Doubts over nukes cast doubts over much of the field of physics. My best guess is that most physics into the 1920s was reliable - I don't think Gibbs, Rutherford, Thomson, Bragg etc got things wrong about thermodynamics, the nucleus, electrons, crystallography, isotopes. (However, I have doubts about superfluidity, phases of water, the actual construction of atoms, and relativity). The doubts concern e.g.
(i) Radiation and its dangers. There seems to be a confusion over X Rays (which can be generated indefinitely) and alpha, beta, gamma rays (which self-terminate). E.g. There's a well-known photo of a hand of a radiographer looking something like a claw - which seems to be a result of X-rays. One chunk of radioactive material can (I think) only generate a certain number of neutrons - and these will tend to go straight through anything, not being charged. **Has radiation been exaggerated?**
(ii) Relativity may have suggested the idea of huge emission of energy. I my opinion (and I won't explain why, here) relativity is a phoney, probably a Jewish fraud, in fact. **Relativity - fraud?**
(iii) The whole background - radium, uranium, various isotopes, decay series ending typically with lead, the structure of the sun - is thrown into doubt and however unlikely it may seem, the roots ought to be looked at. The original paper which supposedly prompted Einstein to advise the then-US president seems to not support the idea that vast energy could be obtained.
(iv) Nuclear tests. A lot of footage has been released and despite being 'sanitised' shows obvious fakery. (There are also DVDs of the birthday year type, Pathe News etc, which sometimes include supposed weapon tests). These could be looked at, and note that France, China, and suppodedly India, Pakistan have test footage.

[2] History - then and now.
(iv) I checked Robert Jungk's book 'Brighter than a Thousand Suns' (recommended reading when I went to university; though I never read it then). There have been a few subsequent books, retailing much the same sort of material. These all assume the Germans were the worst people on earth, therefore nuclear weapon research was certainly justified; the usual cold war stuff - e.g. that Stalin was independent of the USA, which of course misses out the whole Jewish dimension of the USSR; that the Manhattan Project, Oppenheimer, Goldmann Sachs, etc etc were all above board; that Trinity etc were as presented.

In fact of course Jews ran the Soviet Union, and the technology was western, often just copied, more or less in secret; Jews and technicians generally were somewhat in common (and liable to similar penalties for failure); the Space Race, or at least moon landings, are well known now to have been faked; the money for Manhattan wasn't necessarily as great as for Chrysler and radar - thus the figures appear hopelessly buried. It's also known that Hitler didn't want war with Britain, and was forced into it by Churchill.

Israeli history has to be considered; e.g. my personal best guess is that Vanunu was a plant, intended to unofficially suggest Israel had nukes, without legally committing Israel. I went to a meeting by the 'Free Vanunu' committee, at the House of Commons, and saw Frank Barnaby and others discussing the issue; or appearing to. I therefore suspect his 'Oxford Group' may be a phoney.

[3] The smaller picture is Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and 'Daniel' as far as I know has done most work in burrowing into this and exposing anomalies - such as problems with photos of the supposed bombs - their supposed mass being too great, and their being manhandleable, and not like the model in Hiroshima Museum. There are related problems with Trinity - the bomb supposedly was shipped to Hiroshima (i.e. by ship - risky?) BEFORE the thing was even tested. Moreover the ship on return was torpedoed (as in 'Jaws') - but left for I think two days; suggesting to me a deliberate attempt to kill off sailors who maybe had worked out what was happening. This of course implies the bombings from Mariana (I think that's the name) were multiple or otherwise not the official story.

I have a book (ed. Osada) on Japanese schoolkids' recollections of 1945, the book being published 1955 ish; this seems to post date the US censorship, and the stories are not compatible with a nuclear blast. (E.g. a girl 600 yards from the epicentre - she opened the door and saw houses burning). Similarly the photo evidence - e.g. supposed shadow of one person (what about all the others walking around?) - is the bitty kind of thing familiar from 'Holocaust' 'evidence'.

[4] Nuclear Power.
This is RD's province really; he maintains that dumploads are needed to even out electricity demand - and this certainly appears to be true; and that so-called nuclear power stations are just dumploads - in effect, huge electric kettles making hot water or steam. He also has a theory involving stirling engines, which I haven't understood.

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Note added Dec 2015: Adam Hart-Davis in 'The McCurdy Lecture, 23 Oct 2003, said '.. because of their quietness, the Victorians used them [Stirling engines] to drive their church organs and the Swedish Navy used them [purpose(s) unstated] in their submarines. ...'

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If he's right, expect - nowhere is any country dependent on nuclear power; nuclear subs are just a fake using more conventional engines; China is building coal fired power stations because they know nuclear power doesn't work; there must be a lot of anomalies - as with the current Japanese accident; if there's an emergency power outage, nuclear power never takes up the slack; the distribution of 'nuclear power plants' is consistent with dumpload distribution; net production of electricity is accounted for entirely by other supplies, including hydroelectricity. NB Israeli companies appear to 'maintain' all these things.

This site should consider these issues, preferably politely. There must be things we haven't yet thought of. Incidentally I'd personally like to include SOME discussions on new weaponry and new power sources - if nukes are a fantasy, we're back to more conventional stuff.

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[FirstClassSkeptic]

There are some variations on the theme.

Nuclear explosions don't exist, but nuclear reaction, (nuclear power) does exist. There's the approach by moonquierer that nuclear chain reaction in a reactor core proves that nuclear bombs don't explode, because a moderator is needed to sustain chain reaction.

The other belief is that neither explosions or nuclear power generation exists, as stated in the first post.

There's the idea that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were faked, but nuclear bombs were indeed created later. As opposed to, they were never created anywhere. There's one guy that believe that only the USA has nuclear weapons, and another guy that thinks nuclear exposions can only occur with a certain alignment of the sun, moon and earth. I don't think those two guys are here; at least not now.

There might be radiation dangers, or there might not be. Or radiation dangers might be greatly exagerated.

However, I think at the core is the belief that the governments of the world, in unison (conspiricy?) have used the fear of these non-existant nuclear weapons to scare their own people, and to subjugate them.

For those just coming into this idea of nuke revisionism, just know that there are different levels, and different ideas of what happened.

[NUKELIES]

That Barry Smith guy who says that "nuclear bombs" can only be detonated in certain locations according to their alignment with the sun is a spindoctor. The "bombs" shown in "test footage" are often the sun. Perhaps he is aware of this and uses it for spin.

[mooninquirer]

NukeLies Site Admin, or Jesse ---- Actually, I think that Barry Smith guy is helpful to our cause, because with his shiny lavender suit, and the way he talks, he is just like a television evangelist, about to ask for money ! He isn't talking like a scientist AT ALL, and the notion that the position of the Sun has anything to do with the detonation of nuclear bombs and why they do not work, is so preposterous, that it is OBVIOUS he is a strawman put there by the propagandists for nuke bombs, to make the whole theory look ridiculous. But the very fact that this issue has ATTRACTED the need for such a strawman, shows that the notion nuke bombs do not exist has a lot of merit, and there is this need for a propaganda weapon like Barry Smith.

This guy Barry Smith is such a CHARACTER, it is almost like he is doing some kind of comedy routine ! It is quite clear that the intention is that he not be taken seriously. This is similar to the "no-planer" theory for 911, although Barry Smith is much more obviously a strawman, by his tone and what appears to me to be mock seriousness of his presentation.

The "no-planer" theory is designed to make the whole notion that 911 was an inside job look ridiculous, and it HAS succeeded in convincing a few truthers to espouse it. Then, they act like poison pills, and when they tell their idea to the average person, it just seems too far-fetched to believe. And the "no-planer"theory is TOTALLY UNNECESSARY, because the technology exists for remote control or pilot-less airplanes, even at that time, in 2001. In 2001 they had the pilot-less PREDATOR DRONE, which executes far more complicated maneuvers than crashing into a building ---- it fires HELLFIRE missiles, returns to its base, and lands.

The only thing that is counter intuitive for the average person about pilot-less planes crashing into the WTC towers, is people are accustomed to thinking of a human pilot in a commercial airliner as an essential feature. But there are a few other areas where a human can easily be replaced by an automatic service, such as a pharmacist.

[mooninquirer]

FirstClassSkeptic ---- there is A LOT more than the need for the moderator, and the fast neutron vs slow neutron problem.
I say on the welcoming board what a few problems are. There is ample evidence that nuke bombs are a hoax, based on the photo evidence, the behavior of war planners, the amount of secrecy surrounding it, the benefits to be gained from this bluff.

Faking nuclear power plants gains the Jews absolutely NOTHING. I even think this is a strawman argument, just like the "no-planer" theory, to make those who propose that nuke bombs are a hoax to look like a bunch of flunkies who indiscriminately deny ALL of science and technology. I am especially sensitive and livid about appearing to be a flunky ignorant of science from debates over the moon hoax, where propagandists threw out that charge. But the fact is, that ALL of my physics professors said the moon landing is a hoax --- and the propagandists are the ones who cannot explain why we do not see one-sixth gravity in the footage of the Apollo missions.

Note how the RHETORICAL STANCE that nuke bombs are a hoax BECAUSE they are not science has the propagandists pinned down hard, with a knife to their throats. In order to attempt to prove that nuclear power plants are a hoax, one has to give up this killer stance and sure win, for which the pay off is HUGE, and for which the public excitement is very great, to engage in an argument with no excitement, and for which there is no purse. It is also totally unnecessary to prove by way of science that nuke bombs are a hoax. The reason nuke bombs are NOT science is that science requires that experiments be independently reproduced, and that the theory behind it to be explained in terms of what is already known. NEITHER of these things are done with nuke bombs. Repeatedly, in attempts to explain why nuke bombs explode, there is a reliance upon classified information that cannot be disclosed, statements that it all is very technical ( but it is the obligation to explain the technicalities in the first place ), and statements that GROSSLY and blatantly violate all of the science behind nuclear fission and atomic theory, independent of this bizarre and singular ( supposed ) event of nuclear explosions. Examples are a supposed secondary fissioning in mid air --- but this contradicts the need to bring the matter together in a compact, spherical critical mass in the first place in order for the "chain reaction" to take place.

There is a repeated, and absolute reassurance that nuclear power plants will not explode. The worst case scenario is a meltdown. Now, this REALLY has the nuke bomb propagandists pinned down ! So, I say, if that is true for a power plant, it is also true for a hypothetical bomb --- it will not explode, and the worst case scenario is that it will melt down ---- and this very melting down will halt the chain reaction, because it will no longer be of a spherical, compact, critical mass.

[rerevisionist]

Bombs and Power

*Of course, it's perfectly true these are separate issues. One might exist without the other. There are people who don't believe in nuclear bombs, but do believe that nuclear power is genuine.
*The best proponent of the nuclear power is fake argument - RD - unfortunately doesn't post here, or not yet; in any case we have a separate thread for that issue.
*Mooninquirer states that faking nuclear plants gains Jews 'absolutely nothing'. This is simply untrue, whether we consider Jews or anyone else. A so-called nuclear power station costs a fortune, and costs a fortune to close down. If these things really are simple dumploads, the whole thing is a huge fraud. And this includes imposing a huge burden on the Third World.
*Note that China, allegedly with nuclear expertise, opens huge numbers of new coal-fired power stations... and they are, arguably, more independent than the Indian subcontinent, who are awash with corruption interacting with the 'west'.
*World nuclear power production, depending on what you take into account, seems to be a rather tiny 15% or so of world electricity generation. This seems entirely consistent with being some or all a dumpload - it's about the amount you'd guess - if you consider space heating, industrial, lighting which is left on when dark, and other fairly fixed consumptions, the erratic balance of e.g. people making tea or coffee in televised sports events, when there's a big artificially induced simultaneous load, I would guess would be comparatively small.

[mooninquirer]

The Jews do not NEED to engage in any kind of fraud like nuclear power plants are dump loads in order to gain money ---- they can simply fund their accounts with any amount of money they wanted ! It is like playing Monopoly with someone who not only controls the bank, but dips in to buy anything he wanted ---- his pockets are infinitely deep, while everyone else has to go around "Go" to collect $200. They have access to "free loans" This is far worse than usury, or fractional reserve banking, because they do not have to pay back interest, or the principle. Not only that, but I doubt whether it is even ILLEGAL! It is certainly outrageous, but basically, what the Zionist Jews have accomplished is fooling people with something so simple, it is on the order of saying , " heads I win, tails you lose." The ( Zionist) Jews can get loans for any amount they want, and not have to pay them back, but everyone else has to work to pay back loans. But this is basically the Federal Reserve Act of 1913. A certain cabal was entrusted with the EXCLUSIVE right to print up the currency which everyone else is required by law to accept as legal tender.

Mostly this funding of "free loans" is done to lobby politicians and to buy up media, and spread propaganda. But it is also to buy up land and companies, so that more of America is in the hands of citizens of Israel. ( A requirement for this free money is that a Jew be a Zionist and a citizen of Israel. )

Who pays for these free loans ? Everyone else who holds a US dollar, or who is contracted to receive them, or is paid with US dollars ---- these people will suffer higher inflation, and diminished purchasing power of their dollars. The constraint for the Zionist Jews is that they do not want TOO much inflation, because then people will lose all confidence in the US dollar, and their gravy train will come to an end.

So, nuclear power plants as a hoax gains the Jews absolutely nothing, and further, this issue is BORING to the average person. 911, assassinations, and certainly nuke bombs are very exciting issues to expose the real truth to the average person, because they are an excuse for a war with the Muslim world that America is about to engage in with ( probably ) the next Republican administration, in 2013. And Israel's "Samson Option" blackmail is like a person with a pistol holding a hundred people hostage. And this terrorist has a lot of power ONLY because the hostages believe his gun works. PROVING that the gun does not work is an EXTREMELY high value target, because then his hostages will immediately RUSH at him. But which is easier, proving that PARTICULAR gun doesn't work, or trying to prove that no gun in history has ever fired, or that gunpowder has never exploded ? And to make the analogy more complete to the nuke bomb hoax, suppose the pistol did not have a magazine in it, then at most it would have is one bullet, and further, suppose the pistol looked very old and even RUSTY ! In other words, you have a very easy time in convincing people it doesn't work, without trying to prove that all throughout history, gunpowder has never been fired. PLUS, there is the important issue of the TIME and the urgency of dealing with the issue at hand.

There is another thing. I think you can EASILY get physicists interested in the nuke bomb hoax, WITHOUT saying that nuclear power plants are a hoax, and especially without saying that ALL of 20 th century physics is bogus.

In my own experience, I had a biology teacher who admitted he could NOT explain why a fusion bomb would work, and he said that some people think it is a hoax. He said that after very careful consideration of a diagram for a fusion or a hydrogen bomb, and he was very interested in, and had a lot of respect for chemistry and physics, and not just biology. THIS is the response that one who really knows his science, respects science, will come to upon careful consideration. The nuke bomb issue sticks out like a sore thumb as a great anomaly. Explaining it is VERY awkward ---- and it shouldn't be, if it were a reality. I asked grad students in physics this question, " I understand why when the subcritical pieces are brought together, that the resulting critical mass will get hot, but I do not see why it will explode." And the response I got was that I might be onto this being a hoax. I notice a VERY great difference in the very clipped description of nuclear explosions in books, but that for nuclear reactors is a natural and logical extension of the physics experiments coming before them, such as Fermi's work with fission, for which he won the Nobel Prize, and Otto Hahn.

Like I said for the moon landing, I CANNOT be the only one with the experience of having science teachers admitting nuclear bombs are said to be hoax. And this is said in a VERY damning way ---- as an affirmation for why the explosion of nuke bombs cannot be explained in accordance with ALL of the known facts and theory of physics ---- ALL of it, including classical, and ALL of modern physics. There are surely other science teachers out there, and tenured professors of physics out there, who would agree with this, but they would be very turned off by the notion that all of modern physics is bunk. We should also recruit undergrad physics students and even high physics students looking for a good project to stump and / or impress their teachers. But with all this talk that all of 20 th century physics is bunk is going turn them off as much as the average person is turned off when they see that shiny-suited evangelical preacher saying that the position of the Sun in the sky has something to do with nuke bombs !

I don't deny there might be isolated cases of a fraud where a nuclear power plant was contracted to be built, but that money was just pocketed instead. But what I object to is the statement that nuclear power plants are not possible.

[rerevisionist]

Well - that's the thing about paper money, Fed etc. When I meet a commentator, I always urge/ plead/ request/ implore that they try to quantify it. Because there must be limits. I specifically don't agree there's unlimited money: it depends on nominal interest rates, cost of arranging paper money, and assorted technical things.

Thus for example why would they fund front organisations, e.g. non_jewish 'leaders' of the CP? The idea is (typically) to get whites to fight amongst themselves as in WW1 and WW2, or do other foolish things. Why are there no free 'newspapers'? Why do they fund union leaders? My take is that there are limits and they are very aware of it. So for example there was a huge campaign against apartheid, with absurd figures etc etc; the situation now is that Jews still own the minerals there - so the whole strategy worked because whites and blacks now are both downtrodden there. The way I see it is there's control over central banks, but this isn't 'banking' in the usual loan/ risk sense. The best they can do is fund overt and covert useful (or usless) idiots. I believe for example the EU is Jewish controlled as all their policies are Jewish, e.g. forcing uncontrolled immigration, corrupting the legal system, favouring crooks, using fake charities and other groups, and all the rest. So I think they need to fund profitable frauds. And I suppose it could be quantifiable the other way - if there are 15 M Jews, and they want a per head subsidy of say 10K $ per annum, that's $150 billion straight away.

[Ranb]

(i) Radiation and its dangers. There seems to be a confusion over X Rays (which can be generated indefinitely) and alpha, beta, gamma rays (which self-terminate). E.g. There's a well-known photo of a hand of a radiographer looking something like a claw - which seems to be a result of X-rays. One chunk of radioactive material can (I think) only generate a certain number of neutrons - and these will tend to go straight through anything, not being charged. **Has radiation been exaggerated?**

You should to go back and take a look at some fundamentals of nuclear physics. Neutrons actually ted to interact with matter via elastic and inelastic collisions. This is how fission works in reactors/bombs and how materials are irradiated. This is also how neutron shielding works.

Ranb

[rerevisionist]

Ramb, you don't seem to understand how much of this material in under question. If the conventional views were true, there'd have been no need to fake films of tests. That's just one example. Try to understand that what you have been told may not be true.

[Ranb]

You do not seeem to understand that blaming it on the jews is not all the evidence you need. I have not seen any evidence of fakery of films. Editing for dramatic purposes is not the same as fakery.

Rab

[rerevisionist]

Update on Roger Desjardins, the Canadian 'father of nuke revisionism', who was also 'alexis1111' and 'cactusneedles' in some online forums. He's intermittently been in contact, but unfortunately seems to have dropped the issue and has no wish to communicate. I found the same name, and presumably - though not necessarily - the same person, listed in along list of non-Canadian names in a publication called Canadian Perspectives, long on design and adverts, short on logic. It's presumably just another Jewish propaganda piece, I'd guess set up to promote the 'carbon credits' fraud.