[rerevisionist]

"Nuclear bombs do not exist."

The following post, which is a detailed presentation both of claims, and evidence, regarding nuclear hoaxes, is copied from http://www.sciforums.com/search.php?searchid=6409296 where it appeared about 4 years ago in 2007, under the title - their capitals - The Atom Bomb Hoax and more jewish lies. 'Cactusneedles' considers himself, rightly as far as I know, the father of atom bomb revisionism. I've taken the liberty of copying here in case sciforums decides to delete the thread. The author appears to be Roger Desjardins of Canada. He also claimed to have posted in 2004 or 2005 in the thread 'Hiroshima Before and After' of 'libertyforum' as cactus; but this thread has apparently gone; the 'Wayback machine' of archive.org has copies from that time, but they seem to be unsearchable, and the sheer mass of threads defeated me - so I have no firm earliest date of his postings. He also used the name Alexis1111 (and - note added Dec 2011 - Warhol). (The identical posting to that below appeared in 2009 on David Icke's site, and maybe elsewhere. NB I've added a very few notes and corrected a few careless typos.)

cactusneedles Banned (74 posts) 04-26-07

Item 1)

The historical seismograms of Hiroshima and Nagasaki have mysteriously vanished. If not only for the sake of war-era memorabilia, that information should have been everywhere in the museums and in the press. Hiroshima is located in a highly volcanic zone called the Honshu Arc and those active volcanoes were under constant seismographic surveillance during that period and long before that. The so-called atomic blast at Hiroshima was estimated to be the equivalent of 6.2 on the Richter Scale but no seismological outpost in the world appears to have noted it. The Russians said they exploded the biggest atomic bomb ever made (50 megatons) at Novaya Zemlya in northern Russia. That is hundreds of thousands of times more powerful than what they say exploded over Hiroshima yet again, not one seismic needle moved at all. How is that possible, I ask?

Item 2)

In 1942 Hitler's Lufftwaffe had a plan to bomb Lower Manhattan in New York City USA. This plan included a special transport behemoth to fly the package across the Atlantic and deliver it to the target. This is fully 3 years before Hiroshima yet the so-called atom bomb they said they were using is the exact yield and deployed at the same height as the one they say they dropped on Hiroshima. This suggests to me that the atomic hoaxsters were shopping for a spot to nest the hoax. What other possible explanation can there be? When the US started using what they call atom bombs the used the uranium hammer configurations, but the Hitler model is not specific at that level. So, what is Hitler doing planning atom bomb attacks before he even had the facilities or infrastructure to even start planning such late strategies. They never said what they would replace that bomb with if it fell into the ocean with the plane. Why would he not have delivered the package by boat instead. How do we explain these contradictions?

Item 3)

The so-called nuclear industry, be it weapons or so-called commercially viable nuclear reactors is the hoaxsters' paradise. The whole ripoff scheme is shrouded in national security protocols and security bonding which means you can't discuss your work outside the plant if you don't want to incur the wrath of the NSA and risk jailtime for attempted so-called nuclear terrorism. The whole scam is compartmentalized so Sam doesn't know what George is up to. Perfect cover for the atom bomb hoax clusters. So perfect in fact that I believe the jews could not resist pulling off those massive long-cons on the people of the world. How can they NOT have done it when the opportunities, the means and the motives were all there for them to exploit?

Item 4)

During the so-called billion-dollar east coast of the United States blackout a good portion of that area was completely without power. How is this possible when so many so-called nuclear reactors were supposed to have autonomy? How is it possible that people can shell out 5 billion dollars to build a reactor and it can't light a lightbulb when the grid goes down. My contention is that the reason the power failure is so absolute is because the conventional sources are fueling the hoax reactors. Who would build a distribution grid for electricity like a superhighway that clogs up when two cars collide on a country road? Nobody would design a grid where a reactor can't support its customers when the other grid elements are compromised. I say this is further evidence of the hoax. How can it be otherwise?

Item 5)

The mushroom cloud thermodynamics of the atom bomb hoax have also been examined. The first problem the competent examiner notices with the mushroom cloud photographed on the day Hiroshima was attacked is that the sun is shining brightly overhead at the noon position. The bombing was said to have been at 8:15 am. I have heard it argued that this was the Nagasaki cloud, but it has been used by the hoaxsters themselves for Hiroshima and Justin Raimondo had this exact cloud for his essay, Hiroshima, Mon Amour. Why would the jews want to say it is Nagasaki if they have nothing to hide? I went to the public library in downtown Montreal as a youth and I looked at microfilm of newspapers for that day in 1945 and the picture I enlarged taken from the microfilm was the cloud at noon and it was Hiroshima indeed. So, more evidence of a hoax?

Item 6)

The firebombing of Tokyo March 9-10, 1945 - 100,000 dead. M-69 aimable cluster firebombs reduced 26 square kilometers of that city to ash using a few hundred U.S. Air Force B-29 bombers. Aside the cost of the aircraft when initially built, the cost of destroying all that section of Tokyo was a little more than a million dollars. So, why build anything that costs billions to destroy a fraction of the land those B-29 bombers could have destroyed in under less than a million dollars? Because the atom bomb was a lie and those cities reduced to ash by M-69 firebombs and that also explains the mysterious vanishing of the historical seismograms of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Are they hiding the fact that there was no shock wave? Is that why the trees were still standing charred and many building facades still standing?

Item 7)

Hiroshima was not evacuated and life came back to normal very quickly. This is inconsistent with the models presented by the experts that said nothing would grow for 70 years and nobody could live there for a very long time. One week after the so-called atom bomb, oleanders were growing everywhere. The hoaxsters started stories of a miracle. More contradiction and nonsense from the jewish hoaxsters.

Item 8)

The pilot of the B-29 they said dropped the so-called atom bomb on Hiroshima is a known Hollywood insider and his B-29 crew was totally segregated on an island with the pilot Commander Tibbets fully in charge of security and everything. He had full autonomy and discretion. I believe his crew of talmudic cowards was near 200 aircraft when they sortie'd on Hiroshima then later on Nagasaki. Another brilliant example of the secrecy and security shroud of compartmentalization over the whole hoax. Why would this dumbass put his mother's name on an instrument of utter genocide if it were not that his mother gloats without end at jewish hoax accomplishments and mass murder that she would be pleased to figure prominently on the nose of that beast of destruction and mass murder. How can anyone believe such a mess of contradictions when it is obvious they would have been nuts not to exploit the means they had at their disposal under those circumstances. They pulled it off while everyone on earth was in a state of shock and would have believed anything the jews said just to stop the ignited gasoline showers?

Item 9)

Items said to be radioactive have in fact been doped with x-ray radiation for periods of time corresponding to the hoax expectations. At the Pantex assembly plant in [17 miles north-east of] Amarillo Texas, they have a very powerful x-ray machine they say they use to look inside decomissioned so-called atom bombs before they open them up. That is totally ridiculous because why would anything be wrong inside a bomb watched by the military night and day? I say the x-ray machine is there to dope the materials they assemble so that the x-ray detectors they call rad meters can read something expected from the mathematical models. When a rad meter is picking up x-ray radiation it is seamlessly and logarithmically converting this sampled energy and reporting the results as rads instead of x-ray energy that it is. When a student examines a sample said to be radioactive it is a sample irradiated prior using a high intensity x-ray machine. Again compartmentalization plays a key role here at the Pantex plant. Coincidentally they are the only plant in the US authorized to make the final assemblies of so-called nuclear bombs. What else could they be using that huge x-ray machine at Pantex if it is not to create illusions of atomic radioactivity?

Item 10)

Einstein the plagiarist. At least a few links provided at my Hiroshima thread deal with the question of Einstein's honesty in claiming the authorship of a lot of his predecessor's work. Some say his wife was more the mathematical genius and coached him a lot. Anyways the original and official story of the creation of the first so-called atom bomb says that Einstein gave the letter he wrote to the president of the United States to a financier in New York that bounced it around town for a week before giving it to the president. This was a letter explaining in terms a president could understand that atom bombs can be made. The story says that everyone was paranoid that Hitler would discover the plan to build a bomb yet they let the letter concerning its so-called feasibility float around town for a week. More contradiction.

Item 11)

The jewish question. Can anyone deny that the jews had the means, the motives, and the opportunities to hoax the world with fake atom bombs and fake CVNEs [I don't recognise this acronym - rerev] and fake DU [= 'depleted uranium'] and the fake nuclear navy? They even faked moonlandings and NAZIS holocausts lying bastards that they are. They call their genocides wars and failed diplomacy, degenerate freaks. They faked the dinosaurs too it would appear.

Item 12)

Iraq, why did they not find so-called atom bombs there?

Item13)

Suicide bombers, since when can't the underworld acquire atom bombs for suicide missions if they are not bogus?

Item 14)

Why 60 years without so-called atom bomb accidental explosions or terrorist explosions? Everything the jews running the government do is sloppy and anyone with entry level skills can steal a package from the military and configure it to their likings. Why has this never occurred with the so-called atom bomb?

Item 15)

The global conspiracy in negotiable instruments run by the jews and indoctrinated into the minds of the poor youth abandoned to those pathetic indoctrination centers called public schools worldwide [which are] a very important factor in the widespread acceptance of the hoax clusters of the atomic variety by the mainsteam public. The jewish monopoly on the mainstream media is also another great element used to ram the hoax down our throats while we are still very young and vulnerable to fear. The gobal ring of jews running all the governments of the world and controlling all the military forces of the planet make the hoax possible also. Who can deny the influence of jews in every country?

Item 16)

So-called nuclear reactors - The buildings and structures as they appear to the human eye in as much as one is permitted to examine without special clearance are real enough and cost real money if we can pretend the money supply is really backed with anything of any real value. Billions of dollars to build each one. I have worked building a pair of reactors in Gentilly, Quebec, so that appeared real enough at the surface at least. Many people are salaried to work in these buildings and monitor security, supply and maintenance. All this, of course, is to be expected if you want anyone to believe the hoax it has to have at least the appearance of function and form. The real sham starts in the control room. What is a control room anyways you might ask, well, it is a representation of variables said to be operating to achieve the potential predicted in the mathematical models. The truth is that the control panel is an advanced simulator running on highly specific top-secret application software developed secretly a long time ago and refined many times since. So, the unsuspecting employees work all day monitoring variables fed to them by sophisticated digital processors geared to simulate a fully functional reactor core and cooling elements. The fake reactor is tethered to the grid and the energy from conventional sources is fed to the brushes of the generators making them instantly motors instead that circulate the water and perhaps also heat it for effect and steam. The instruments reading the output from the reactor is actually reversing the reading of the power pouring in. Who can deny that such simulator technology was not possible at the time they started those hoaxes?

Item 17)

The money - now there's a good motive for hoaxing these clusters of deceit. How many people making big money in that fake industry feel like letting it all go so the truth be known? They will fight to the death to keep that salary and income no matter how bogus the industry is proven to them to be. Who can deny that important obstacle to the truth? The money stolen because of these hoax clusters is beyond understanding.

Item 19)

Mushroom clouds do not grow out of radial airbrust explosions. The mushroom cloud needs to be seeded from the ground. The thermodynamic conditions caused by a circumferential airburst explosion would superheat the air all around and send radial shock waves emanating from the center outwards like the popular festivity fireworks and that would negate the conditions required for a mushroom cloud to grow normally. A mushroom cloud grows from the ground up in a predictable circular pattern that develops and flows through a relatively cool and stable upper air mass because the explosion was at the ground level. Who can deny that mushroom clouds can't grow out of radial airburst explosions?

Item 20)

The so-called nuclear subs are either fully battery operated and recharged underwater secretly or run with Stirling Cycle engines or more likely both. That would explain the absence of deisel fumes and would explain the very long underwater periods. Stirling cycle engines are perfectly suited to hoax a nuclear navy. Who can deny that?

To read more about these hoax clusters you may browse down to libertyforum.org and see the Hiroshima Before and After thread I authored in the History and Archeology section of that forum. That thread is 3 years old [2005] and has garnered over 37,000 page views and is 80 pages long.

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Keywords: "Nuclear bombs do not exist." - nuclear consipracy - nuclear conspiracy theory

[FirstClassSkeptic]

http://www.pantex.com/

[rerevisionist]

Here's another of cactusneedle's set of postings, under the name alexis1111, and moved to David Icke ---
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?p=1248263

Of a number of interesting things, there's a Japanese diagram of the aimable firebombs used as incendiaries against Japanese towns and cities.

[FirstClassSkeptic]

That bomb looks a lot like Little Boy, but they don't give the dimensions. Or, well, maybe they do and I just don't recognize them.

[rerevisionist]

I've just found another nuclear sceptics threads at
http://engforum.pravda.ru/index.php?/topic/206751-the-atom-bomb-hoax-and-more-jewish-lies/
It's a single thread, not a forum collection. April through to August 2010. It seems to have been started by Jess's 'Nuke Lies' Youtube video. It was started by a poster nicknamed 'Babau' who has a mock-European redneck style persona, which is quite amusing. It might conceivably be the Canadian, CactusNeeles/ Alexis1111 though.

[rerevisionist]

Roger Desjardins says in an email 21st Dec 2011

The Hiroshima Before and After thread I authored at libertyforum in their History and Archeology section was the first web published atomic bomb denial thread ever seen by the public on the net. 80 pages and nearly 100,000 page views before the site was folded. I have the entire thread backed up to my archives and the content shows that the readers had never seen or heard this form of denial before.

I looked on www.archive.org in their 'Wayback machine' search engine; typing libertyforum.com (a now vanished site) gives 637 captures of the site between 3rd June 2002 and 23 July 2008. The 'History and Archaeology' section doesn't exist before about Dec 2005 - it's quite difficult to check because the archive.org is busy, and slow. To try to find the postings, from the home page of libertyforum, click on 'Liberty Lounge' (in the left margin), then 'News and Opinions' (left margin), then 'History and Archaeology'. If 'Hiroshima Before and After' is listed, you may be have to find it by clicking on the thread list. However, many of the postings have not been archived by archive.org.

However I did find this thread dated 28 Nov 2005 which seems to have the earliest postings
http://web.archive.org/web/20051128123113/http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_history&Number=292989028&page=1&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=21&part=all
The first, what I presume to be the earliest, post is from cactus, dated 10/01/04, US style date for 1st October 2004. As the title 'Hiroshima before and after' suggests, this page mostly deals with the alleged A bomb's effects on Hiroshima.
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Jesse says he was first alerted to the possibility of the nuke hoax by a talk on Talksport Radio, by James Whales (or perhaps Whalen). I haven't been able to establish when this talk took place, but it would have been before the video 'Nuke Lies' which is dated, by Youtube, as uploaded 4 Nov 2008. This is about four years after cactus posted, or longer, if cactus posted earlier as well. So chronologically it looks as though RD must have priority. However his material was tucked away and seems to have largely att5racted trolls and spammers.

[rerevisionist]

22 Dec 2011

Dan definitely came up with the dumpload theory. That's what stands out the most in my memory from the email forum. I think we should give you, me, and Dan credit for being the Fathers of Nuclear Revisionism. We are the true pioneers.

Merry Christmas,
Jesse

[NUKELIES]

rerevisionist wrote:

Jesse says he was first alerted to the possibility of the nuke hoax by a talk on Talksport Radio, by James Whales (or perhaps Whalen). I haven't been able to establish when this talk took place, but it would have been before the video 'Nuke Lies' which is dated, by Youtube, as uploaded 4 Nov 2008. This is about four years after cactus posted, or longer, if cactus posted earlier as well. So chronologically it looks as though RD must have priority. However his material was tucked away and seems to have largely att5racted trolls and spammers.

I - Jesse - was not 'alerted' by Talksport. I realized the possibility that nuclear bombs might be FAKE completely on my own. Then I searched on the internet and found a few posts questioning the existence of nuclear bombs on Above Top Secret and some videos by Moonshow on YouTube.

It is impossible to know how many people have thought critically about the subject in the past. Millions of people must have experienced cognitive dissonance in considering the feasibility of atomic explosions. Millions more may have even wondered if such an improbability could be real.

I do not understand the purpose of this thread rerevisionist. We are attempting to help, not patent our dissidence.

[rerevisionist]

Jess - I'm interested in truth, and in meta-revisionism -- there are many subjects which need a good dose of revisionist analysis, and it's important to have a realistic idea of the way revisionism has worked in the past. It may be possible to identify suspect topics by their 'fingerprint' - e.g. by assessing vested interests, or information bottlenecks, or psychological stress features.

Apologies for the radio comments. FCS also has said he independently realised the things couldn't work, then hunted round, though he never fuly explained his reasoning..

[NUKELIES]

Rerevisionist I appreciate your interest in meta-revisionism - that is a wise concept with which I was completely unfamiliar before reading your post. Perhaps we will be able to develop a formula for routing out lies using meta-revisionism. Quite a concept!

However I do not see the correlation between meta-revisionism and discovery ascription.

[rerevisionist]

NL - I'm baffled why you think all this isn't very important! It seems obvious to me that finding out the historical detail is important. For example, we may be able to encourage reliable informants to emerge from their woodwork.

In any case, 'cactus' (and other names) made significant points. However he has always refused to post here. As far as I can tell, his views originated from considering 'nuclear power' from a Canadian hydro-electric viewpoint. Some of his material suggests to me it may have come from other sources - his earthquake material for example sounds good, but it's unclear how he could be so sure of his information. Maybe he's come up with new material - I don't know. He also emailed me some rather odd garbled stuff which suggests trolls have been getting at him.

[voerioc]

Personally, I don't mind that there is a little bit of competition to know who was the first revisionist about nuke lies. It's human and it's little bit fun (like a sport match).

And, from a historical point of view, I find interesting to know who was the first to talk about it.

And I don't think there was millions of humans thinking nukes are a lie. Otherwise, we would have thousands of people registering on this site.