[rerevisionist]

Answering the Argument from Numbers Involved....

From another forum....

To perpetrate this giant hoax, one would have to involve thousands of scientists, engineers, politicians, military people from at least three of the services, and god knows how many civilians. And it's held up over a period of decades. ... The ineptitude of both the government and the military to keep secrets is legend and yet you believe they have kept this giant hoax without anybody blowing the whistle. ...


The supposed bomb was shipped before supposedly being tested; the alleged test did not have the effects claimed; the bomb wasn't fitted with its aerials, which wouldn't have worked anyway; it couldn't have been aimed accurately; accounts of the aiming are wrong; the crews were isolated and the planes not watched; accounts of the effects contradict each other - the supposed 'mushroom cloud' is described in contradictory ways and was clearly an invention, and the film of it could not have been taken at the claimed time; Japanese witnesses didn't know it happened; Japanese accounts describe fire and nothing like the supposed effects of a hugely high temperature blast; aerial photography of the after-effects were indistinguishable from bombing raids of the time, with no central blast zone; the film crew specifically sent to record the event, didn't do so; the Indianapolis which carried the supposed bomb was sunk on the voyage back to the USA, and was left four days without any assistance; the Japanese weren't told the events were 'nuclear' until long after, when they had to be told by propaganda films; trams were running three days later; the claims about shadows of bodies are wrong; there were no radiation effects; here are no seismic indicators that the supposed events took place; the story is still not consistent to this day.

The 'Holocaust' is a huge fraud which your wonderful government has done nothing to expose. Mass-murder in Armenia, the USSR and Ukraine, and in Vietnam has been covered up. The Kennedy murder, NASA and 9/11 are further examples of cover-ups. The whole paper money/ Fed issue is never mentioned by official sources. The CIA involvement in drugs, murders etc is only being uncovered by 'alternative' people.

If there are tens of thousands of scientists, engineers, politicians, military people as stupid as you, I can see no problem in hiding anything.

[Heiwa]

No normal, civil university does research about thermonuclear bomb design, fission and how to trigger an atomic explosion in nano-seconds. All such ‘research’ is done in top secret, military institutes of some kind and the result is not available for critical scrutiny. Same goes for the production of said bombs.
That a solid, little, metallic sphere of 20-50 kg of Uranium 235 suddenly, by itself only assisted by free neutrons will split into 20-50 kg of fission fragments and release energy (heat & pressure) is not proven in any civil institution. The theoretical background of the process is even less convincing and created by some fools in the 1930’s that I only feel sorry for. Easy thus to understand how military US top brass jumped on the idea! A secret weapon, bla, bla. And that Stalin & Co copied the nonsense. And now, after decades of using phony science and false statements to create a fraudulent “debate” about the matter, we are here.

[FirstClassSkeptic]

We should do more research into the seismograph record. I remember reading an archived article on the Internet about Hiroshima, and the article stated that the newspaper contacted the local college, and the college said there was no indication on their seismographs. But I've never been able to find that article again.

One might have to go into libraries and look at old microfilm of newspapers. I don't have access to do that. Microfilm is much harder to mess with than computer articles. As long as it isn't just plain out destroyed.

[rerevisionist]

Cactusneedles, in his early postings of a few years ago, was emphatic that the seismic records, of the supposed dates and times of Hiroshima and Nagasaki atom bombings, showed no evidence and as a result were removed, at least from Japanese seismological recording points. However, he gave no evidence and no sources. It was one of the things that made me suspect he wasn't the originator of the 'nuke skeptics' idea, but may have been popularising another person's ideas, or perhaps a group of persons. But he was so emphatic, I'm pretty certain there are people out there fully informed on this. Unless by now they're dead.

The title of this thread would emphasise that it wouldn't take many people to be in on this; there can't be many earthquake detectors, and presumably those in 1945 sensitive enough to detect events in Japan were far fewer than there are now.