MATTHEW LEIGH TO RAE WEST 30 May 2000 Subject: Physics Fraud Website
I've been looking at your physics fraud site and I've noticed a few things I'd like a bit of explanation on... |
MATTHEW LEIGH TO RAE WEST 30 May 2000 Subject: Modern Physics Page
I'm interested in the little piece you have on "Is the speed of light a limit". Do you have any further information on this? Regards Matthew Leigh |
R WEST TO M LEIGH 26 Oct 2000 Subject: Modern Physics Page
Thanks for your e-mail. I just think the emphasis on light involves several misunderstandings, first re Michelson-Morley, then a complex revolving around the fact that human beings are reliant on light, then another set of problems re slits/ interference; and no doubt others. In my view all this stuff has no bearing on the question of speeds. I don't think they prove there's an upper limit to relative speeds except in the practical sense that extremely fast relative speeds increase the chance, and dangers, of collisions. Regards Rae West |
M LEIGH TO R WEST 26 Oct 2000 Subject: Modern physics page
At 10:30 26/10/00 +0100, you wrote: > Thanks for your e-mail. I just think the emphasis on light involves > several misunderstandings, first re Michelson-Morley, then a > complex revolving around the fact that human beings are reliant on > light, then another set of problems re slits/ interference; and no > doubt others. > In my view all this stuff has no bearing on the question of > speeds. I don't think they prove there's an upper limit to relative > speeds except in the practical sense that extremely fast relative > speeds increase the chance, and dangers, of collisions. Regards > Rae West
In your paragraph, though (if you didn't write it then forgive me for using "you"), you use the analogy of a children's roundabout that can't move faster than the arm pushing it. The experiments that have been done don't use electromagnetic radiation to push charged particles, though. They use a static electric field to accelerate them. An interesting experimental result that convincingly proves the time dilation effect is "Measurement of the Relativistic Time Dilation using mu-Mesons" , D.H. Frisch and J.H. Smith, American Journal of Physics, Volume 31, pp. 342-355, 1963. This doesn't prove the "upper speed limit", but you can't predict time dilation without assuming constancy of the speed of light between inertial frames, so I'll quote their results: Muons are used as a "clock", because they have a sufficiently short decay time and are produced in large numbers. Their decay distribution was measured at the top of Mount Washington, for muons with speeds between 0.9950c and 0.9954c. 568 were detected in one hour. This distribution is then used to predict the number of muons that would survive to reach sea level, 1910 feet lower. That turns out to be 27 - ie if they repeated the experiment at sea level, 27 muons would be detected in one hour. They then repeated the experiment at sea level and detected 412 muons in one hour. |
R WEST TO M LEIGH 26 Oct 2000 Subject: Modern physics page
[Snips] That makes this paragraph somewhat incorrect. ** Possibly. It depends on the properties of electrostatic fields, doesn't it? For me, this experiment and others that repeat their findings are excellent evidence for time dilation. ** The problem with all this stuff is that there isn't a single part of it which can be assumed to be solidly established. You yourself state you don't even understand the maths, let alone, presumably, other possible explanations for the reduction in numbers of whatever it is that their detectors are detecting. (There's no indication that you know what procedures they use). You appear to be simply repeating what you've been told. |
M LEIGH TO R WEST Fri 27 Oct 2000 Subject: Modern physics page
What properties are you referring to that would back up the webpage's theory?
** The problem with all this stuff is that there isn't a single part of it >
which can be assumed to be solidly established. You yourself >
state you don't even understand the maths, let alone, presumably, >
other possible explanations for the reduction in numbers of >
whatever it is that their detectors are detecting. (There's no >
indication that you know what procedures they use). You appear to >
be simply repeating what you've been told.
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R WEST TO M LEIGH 27 Oct 2000 Subject: Modern physics page
> > > That makes this paragraph somewhat incorrect. > > ** Possibly. It depends on the properties of electrostatic fields, doesn't it? > What properties are you referring to that would back up the webpage's theory? ** The question is how fields of various types interact with, and presumably affect the speed of, electrons. this is not a simple matter.
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** The problem with all this stuff is that there isn't a single part of it which can be assumed to be solidly established. You yourself state you don't even understand the maths, let alone, presumably, other possible explanations for the reduction in numbers of >
whatever it is that their detectors are detecting. (There's no indication that you know what procedures they use). You appear to be simply repeating what you've been told.
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Other experiments,>
with other "clocks" have shown that the time dilation effect occurs with>
them too. In fact, although I have no paper reference, there has been an>
experiment conducted where cesium beam clocks were synchronised on Earth,>
and then one flown around in a jet aircraft for some hours. The clock which>
had been travelling lost a small but significant amount of time. GPS>
satellites also have to account for this effect.
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