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Japan's PM Says Nuclear Situation 'Very Grave'

Postby NUKELIES » 18 Mar 2011 14:08

From voanews.com:
Japan's Prime Minister Naoto Kan says the nuclear crisis at the crippled Fukushima plant is "very grave."

Kan said on Friday the police, fire department and military were "putting their lives on the line" to cool the highly radioactive fuel rods at the complex.

Officials on Friday raised the severity rating of its nuclear disaster from 4 to 5 on a 7-point international nuclear event scale.

Firefighters were dousing water on damaged reactor buildings with powerful hoses. But they have to limit their time inside the complex due to the high radiation levels.

Japanese engineers also are extending an emergency power cable to the nuclear reactor complex. A steady supply of power could enable workers at the Fukushima plant to get water pumps working again.

Kan tried to reassure his nation, saying Friday that he expected that in the "not so distant future" the overall situation will be controlled.


Their BS is getting weak. Firefighters were dousing water on damaged reactors? That sounds like a fire to me.

The radiation at Chernobyl was supposed to be so bad that it contaminated a sizeable chunk of Russia, and yet Japanese firefighters and engineers can walk right up to exploded reactors in Fukushima to douse them with water? Get your story straight propagandists!
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Re: Japan's PM Says Nuclear Situation 'Very Grave'

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by mooninquirer » 30 Mar 2011 23:13

A week ago I posted a long comment on the science behind nuclear fission, and why it would not support nuclear bombs exploding, right here, but it was not accepted.

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Re: Japan's PM Says Nuclear Situation 'Very Grave'

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by mooninquirer » 30 Mar 2011 23:59

I accept that nuclear power plants are a reality, and that this helps us understand that nuke bombs are a hoax. Some people say, " if nuclear power plants exist, then nuclear bombs must exist." But I don't accept this, and we can easily turn it around. I say, " since there is no way that nuclear power plants could ever explode, then there is no way that nuclear bombs would explode.

I believe the situation in Japan is very grave, but it is not as bad as Chernobyl, and this is admitted in the media. All that is going to happen is that radioactive matter is going to be released into the atmosphere, and it would be a much lesser amount than the nuke blasts supposedly in the open air.

Somehow, in the late 40s and early 50s, it was acceptable to explode nuke bombs in the open air, near Las Vegas. So, why hasn't THAT been described as a "very grave situation" with respect to radiation ?

In that era, people just did not have a conception of what radiation was, and the only way to convince people of the ( supposed ) destructive power of a nuke bomb was to talk about the blast effects. But NOW, it seems the opposite is true ---- to get people worried about nuke bombs, there is a great discussion of the harmful effects of radiation. All of this talk about radiation over the years from grade school science classes to being repeated in the news has sunk in, but I think they have exaggerated its harmful effects on the body.

And as for the radiation escaping from the nuclear reactor, this is only radioactive matter, and not a large source of radiation being spewed out like the nuclear fission itself, without the shielding. The radioactive isotopes of hydrogen and oxygen in the water being released decay over time. It is not like an immense shower of gamma, beta, and neutron radiation that would be coming from a nuclear reaction itself, like from the Sun ( for someone in outer space without the shielding protection of the Earth's magnetosphere, and atmosphere ), or from a lot of atoms fissioning, like what occurs inside a nuclear reactor, while the reaction is taking place.

A good physics lecture on the physics behind nuclear fission, nuclear reactors, and an ATTEMPT to explain why nuclear bombs explode, can be seen by typing into the youtube space : UC BERKELEY PHYSICS NUKES

Note the professor's absolute assurance that a nuclear power plant is NOT going to explode. The worst case scenario is a meltdown, which is a self correcting mechanism, because the fissile material is no longer going to be a critical mass.

Note that the professor cannot explain why a nuclear reactor is different from a nuclear bomb. And at the end, when he describes a nuclear bomb exploding, he admits that initially it is no greater than a conventional explosive bomb, but the greater blast of a nuclear bomb is contingent upon a secondary fissioning of the fissile material in mid air after it has exploded. But this is impossible, because it was necessary to bring subcritical pieces together in the first place, in order to have a chain reaction ! And since nuclear fissioning is contingent upon neutrons hitting nuclei, and the nuclei are already spaced very far apart even in compact fissile matter, it is going to be even harder for the neutrons to hit the nuclei when the matter is exploded apart. If it is hard to shoot ducks while they are assembled on a pond, it is going to be even HARDER to shoot and hit ducks after they fly away in all directions.

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Re: Japan's PM Says Nuclear Situation 'Very Grave'

Postby FirstClassSkeptic » 08 Apr 2011 23:16

If this radiation is so bad, why don't the firefighters drop dead in two or three days? Have you heard of one yet dying of radiation?
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Re: Japan's PM Says Nuclear Situation 'Very Grave'

Postby DarkMedievalTimes » 09 Apr 2011 20:39

If you think it's not as bad as Chernobyl what about the thousands of gallons of radioactive water that they've been releasing into the Pacific Ocean so they can get to the root of the leak in the spent fuel container?
And what about the reports that iodine 131 has been found in the ir and water as far away as Scotland? I have read that even minute particles of this substance are harmful and a microscopic dose of it is life threatening...
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Re: Japan's PM Says Nuclear Situation 'Very Grave'

Postby DarkMedievalTimes » 09 Apr 2011 20:42

NUKELIES wrote:From voanews.com:
Japan's Prime Minister Naoto Kan says the nuclear crisis at the crippled Fukushima plant is "very grave."

Kan said on Friday the police, fire department and military were "putting their lives on the line" to cool the highly radioactive fuel rods at the complex.

Officials on Friday raised the severity rating of its nuclear disaster from 4 to 5 on a 7-point international nuclear event scale.

Firefighters were dousing water on damaged reactor buildings with powerful hoses. But they have to limit their time inside the complex due to the high radiation levels.

Japanese engineers also are extending an emergency power cable to the nuclear reactor complex. A steady supply of power could enable workers at the Fukushima plant to get water pumps working again.

Kan tried to reassure his nation, saying Friday that he expected that in the "not so distant future" the overall situation will be controlled.


Their BS is getting weak. Firefighters were dousing water on damaged reactors? That sounds like a fire to me.

The radiation at Chernobyl was supposed to be so bad that it contaminated a sizeable chunk of Russia, and yet Japanese firefighters and engineers can walk right up to exploded reactors in Fukushima to douse them with water? Get your story straight propagandists!


But hold on a minute, can't people go to visit Chernobyl reactor today and walk around the grounds for a specific period of time before having to get the heck out of dodge?
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Re: Japan's PM Says Nuclear Situation 'Very Grave'

Postby rerevisionist » 09 Apr 2011 22:05

Welcome, darkMedieval. There have been quite a few scares about radioisotopes, including cobalt 60, strontium 90 and iodine 131. Iodine is important as a micronutrient - a tiny amount is needed to make thyroxin. It usually comes from seaweed - so people living a long way from the sea may have goitres, i.e. expanded neck where the thyroid tries to extract iodine from food. However, iodine 131 has a half life of a few days - in a month only 1/16 of its radiation is left. Only minute amounts are needed by the body - iodine is quite a rare element, so this would have to be true. Any surplus is excreted. Don't even think of worrying about it.
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Re: Japan's PM Says Nuclear Situation 'Very Grave'

Postby NUKELIES » 10 Apr 2011 22:39

DarkMedievalTimes wrote:But hold on a minute, can't people go to visit Chernobyl reactor today and walk around the grounds for a specific period of time before having to get the heck out of dodge?


What does that prove? That the tour guides have a schedule?
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Re: Japan's PM Says Nuclear Situation 'Very Grave'

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by mooninquirer » 14 Apr 2011 03:10

@ DarkMedievalTimes ---- I would be curious to read the article in which you read that even minute quantities of that radioactive isotope of iodine are life threatening. That seems like a great exaggeration, to call it "life threatening, " because thyroid cancer is one of the most treatable cancers that there are. They actually use radioactive isotopes in diagnostic medicine. I myself was injected with a radioactive isotope of Gadolinium for an MRI.
And radiation itself can be used to treat cancer. Also, cancer is caused by many other things, and the body has a natural defense against cancerous cells. Watch this ---- google : A WORLD WITHOUT CANCER

And the minute quantities of that radioactive isotope of iodine has to take into account "parts per billion" and threshold levels. Did you know that radium is a naturally occurring radioactive element, that comes about from the ( very slow ) natural decay of uranium ? It is found in minute quantities, wherever uranium is found. BUT, uranium is found not just in uranium ore, but in any igneous rock, especially granite. Water coming from the mountains will have some radium in it. Madame Curie worked all of her life with radioactive substances. Yet she lived to 67. Otto Hahn and Lise Meitner also worked with radioactive substances, yet they both lived to 89.

I am not disregarding man's impact upon the environment, but the main issue here is the NEED to exaggerate the harmful effects of radiation, so that there can be a war with Iran, over Iran's supposed development of a nuke bomb. The public needs to greatly fear radiation, so they feel, " I sure hope that we don't have that kind of radiation all over the US from a nuke bomb, like Japan has." Exaggerating the effects of radiation is especially important, because of the 1963 limited test ban treaty. The public cannot be shaken up with the awe-inspiring might and power of the BLAST EFFECTS of supposed nuke bombs ----- so they have to emphasize the radiation effects. Also, the war propagandists cannot just replay the footage of the supposed nuke bombs, because they all look fake. In fact, I challenge YOU to find footage of a purported nuke bomb explosion that looks real, and that could NOT have been just a conventional explosion.

Now, the Japanese have recently stated that it is as bad as Chernobyl ---- with a rating of a 7. I think the Japanese are doing this to appease the Israel Lobby, because they know that the Israel Lobby controls the US. And Japan very desperately NEEDS an alliance with the US because of its very vulnerable geostrategic location, near a very large and powerful historic enemy ----- China.

Another motivation for the Zionists to exaggerate the harmful effects of the radiation, is to claim that Iran's nuke power plants are unsafe and they threaten the world with deadly radiation, so that they should be shut down. This might be another motivation for war with Iran.

Some people say that Israel even sabotaged Japan's nuke power plants. That might be, but they have such an awesome power of the media, that that would not be necessary. They convinced the public that JFK was killed by a lone assassin, that the Oklahoma City bombing was done by Timothy McVeigh without bombs also having been planted in the building, that 911 was done by 19 Arab Muslim hijackers with boxcutters, etc.

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Re: Japan's PM Says Nuclear Situation 'Very Grave'

Postby rerevisionist » 24 Apr 2011 14:51

Very good anaysis @ mooninquirer, as to the balance 'radiation threat' vs 'blast threat'. The only point I have to make is that, arguably, Japan's vulnerability is raw materials, such as oil. This may be their motive for going along with Zionist/US propaganda. I suspect both China and Japan have other things to do than consider hostilities.
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Re: Japan's PM Says Nuclear Situation 'Very Grave'

Postby FirstClassSkeptic » 26 Apr 2011 00:54

The latest news is that they are not allowing anyone within 20 km of the reactor. Could this be a depopulation, resettlement plan, like LeMay and the burning of japanese cities in WWII?
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Re: Japan's PM Says Nuclear Situation 'Very Grave'

Postby FirstClassSkeptic » 11 May 2011 02:31

There's some news out now that Japan is going to shut down the nuclear reactor that supplies some auto factories. The stock in those auto manufacturers went down after the announcement.

This would be interesting to watch to see if the factory really closes down when the nuclear plant is shut down. It was unclear in the article whether this shutdown would be soon, immediate, or over the course of years, or weeks.
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