[rerevisionist]

[1] You claim there are drugs that cause amnesia without causing brain damage. The brain isn't understood, and I simply don't believe you. Perhaps you could name such a class of drugs.

You say you were 'brainwashed' in military college. You don't seem to understand that 'brainwashing' is supposed to be a high-tech thing with drugs, lights, imprisonment, conditioning etc etc. What you talk about is a sort of fanatical education for which there's no word known to me. There are circumstances where fanaticism is justified. You're just misusing the word.

[2] Your comments on secret energies etc between people and twins is simple nonsense. However I don't think there's much point arguing the issue.

[3] Genocide is the act of killing off all or part of a race, and includes such things as starvation, forced immigration and/or emigration. There's a 1948 UN Convention (look it up) it includes 'Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part'. The US destroyed entire systems of rivers and rice growing areas and villages. There's no doubt it was genocidal.

You don't seem able to take a detached view of your experiences. There are people like you all over the world, including here in Britain where they like to think WW2 was an entriely wonderful thing. But again I'm not really concerned to debate all this, which isn't very nuke related.

[EyesWideOpen]

[1] You claim there are drugs that cause amnesia without causing brain damage. The brain isn't understood, and I simply don't believe you. Perhaps you could name such a class of drugs.

You say you were 'brainwashed' in military college. You don't seem to understand that 'brainwashing' is supposed to be a high-tech thing with drugs, lights, imprisonment, conditioning etc etc. What you talk about is a sort of fanatical education for which there's no word known to me. There are circumstances where fanaticism is justified. You're just misusing the word.

[2] Your comments on secret energies etc between people and twins is simple nonsense. However I don't think there's much point arguing the issue.

[3] Genocide is the act of killing off all or part of a race, and includes such things as starvation, forced immigration and/or emigration. There's a 1948 UN Convention (look it up) it includes 'Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part'. The US destroyed entire systems of rivers and rice growing areas and villages. There's no doubt it was genocidal.

You don't seem able to take a detached view of your experiences. There are people like you all over the world, including here in Britain where they like to think WW2 was an entriely wonderful thing. But again I'm not really concerned to debate all this, which isn't very nuke related.

1. Maybe you should research DRUG INDUCED AMNESIA. Furthermore, the "brainwashing" you are talking about is a HOLLYWOOD fantasy version and I am certainly not talking about Hollywood or fantasy.

2. I never mentioned "secret" energies. I mentioned energies that occur every day. The Human body is a bio-chemical electrical device, that gives off energy.

3. We had KOREANS as our Allies in the Korean War. Using the term GENOCIDE is not appropriate. The Korean War was a Civil War, similar to our Civil War in America.

4. Now you are saying I somehow agree with WWII or the Korean War? Nothing could be further from the truth. You appear to dislike people who have experiences different than your own experiences (what those experiences may be). Guess what? I was also an Investment Banker within the Oil Industry but I certainly do not support the Oil Cartels, Oil comes from plants/animals bullshit, Federal Reserve, Usury or many other aspects of the World of Finance. Guess what? I also lived with a couple different Jews at different times in a home by the beach. That does not mean I support the sickness of the Jew or their culture. In fact, because of my experience with Jews I know them very well, much better than someone without my experiences.

You are mis-using words and applying falsehoods to my explanations. My varied experiences enable me to put myself in other peoples shoes quite easily, compared with others who have limited experiences.

[rerevisionist]

[1] You have produced no example of a drug that can induce amnesia without brain damage. I assume you can't.

The main book in the USA related to 'brainwashing' was J A M Meerloo's book The Rape of the Mind: The Psychology of Thought Control Menticide and Brainwashing (1956). It was presented as serious psychology research, and it was supposed to explain why some Americans objected to war crimes against Koreans. This has nothing to do with Hollywood.

[2] 'The human body is a bio-chemical electrical device that gives off energy.' Bacteria, birds, fish, chimps, any animals are also 'biochemical electrical devices'. They give off various types of energy, but (and I presume you're not counting sound energy as in speech, or physivcal energy when someone restrains someone else etc) the idea of remote reception is pure bullshit.

[3] Whenever there's a war it's possible to find allies or collaborators. So what? The USA destroyed large numbers of Korean people and their livelihoods. It conforms to the definition of genocide. Your 'varied experiences' don't seem to enable you to easily put yourself in the shoes of Koreans at that time who were bombed, burnt, strafed, and otherwise killed.

However the point of this thread is to examine the propaganda use of the word 'brainwashing'. It was used to divert attention from US war crimes in Korea. Its relevance to the nuke debate is that it's another example of media control.

[EyesWideOpen]

[1] You have produced no example of a drug that can induce amnesia without brain damage. I assume you can't.

The main book in the USA related to 'brainwashing' was J A M Meerloo's book The Rape of the Mind: The Psychology of Thought Control Menticide and Brainwashing (1956). It was presented as serious psychology research, and it was supposed to explain why some Americans objected to war crimes against Koreans. This has nothing to do with Hollywood.

[2] 'The human body is a bio-chemical electrical device that gives off energy.' Bacteria, birds, fish, chimps, any animals are also 'biochemical electrical devices'. They give off various types of energy, but (and I presume you're not counting sound energy as in speech, or physivcal energy when someone restrains someone else etc) the idea of remote reception is pure bullshit.

[3] Whenever there's a war it's possible to find allies or collaborators. So what? The USA destroyed large numbers of Korean people and their livelihoods. It conforms to the definition of genocide. Your 'varied experiences' don't seem to enable you to easily put yourself in the shoes of Koreans at that time who were bombed, burnt, strafed, and otherwise killed.

However the point of this thread is to examine the propaganda use of the word 'brainwashing'. It was used to divert attention from US war crimes in Korea. Its relevance to the nuke debate is that it's another example of media control.

1. I mentioned for you to go ahead and do your own research, just google "Drug Induced Amnesia", the drugs are varied and many are most likely illegal and unknown to the "regulated" civilian sector. I have no interest in this subject, other than to say it certainly exists, unlike the baseless claim being made that it does not exist.

That author Joost Meerloo you mentioned (is he a Jew?) certainly understood how easy brainwashing is. Hell, his observations are being used to this very day in America and the World in general (China, Japan, Korea, Saudi etc..). Just read through these quotes by him--> http://blog.gaiam.com/quotes/authors/joost-meerloo. Better yet, go read The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, for those concepts have brainwashed an entire civilization and most of the World.

2. Remote reception is possible, at what DISTANCE is the question. You are allowing concepts like Distance to limit all thought on the matter and to even claim that it does not exist at all.

3. The USA and the KOREANS destroyed large amounts of Korean people. How many Koreans do you think the Chinese killed in the Korean War? This was a UNITED NATIONS mission by the way (as was the 1st Iraq War but not the 2nd Iraq War). Not that I support the United Nations at all but that Body Politic is certainly involved. Although, at the root, its the Jew wrecking havoc on any type or normalcy. I understand much better than you do the destruction and death of war, so you really are speaking only with emotion and it appears no experience in the matter.

You know very little of my life or my thoughts so please stop inventing stories about me. You cannot put yourselves in the shoes of 18 year old US Troops, Chinese Troops or Korean Troops that were being "bombed, burnt, strafed, and otherwise killed". Truly, you cannot put yourself in the shoes of either civilian or military personnel in a war zone. Your perspective on the Korean or any other war is very limited and one sided. The emotional hatred of particular things blinds you to greater truths. All I care about is the truth.

This term "Brainwashing" should not be limited to the Hollywood or Best Book Seller version. Brains are washed and cleaned every day of the year, many by Hollywood itself; all one needs is pain and pleasure at its very basics (no blinking lights required). I can brainwash your dog, your sheep, your cow or your child. Its not complicated like in the movies.

Maybe a couple different definition would help you understand what brainwashing is; its not about blinking lights and so forth:

World English Dictionary
brainwash ('bre?n?w??)— vb

-to effect a radical change in the ideas and beliefs of (a person), esp by methods based on isolation, sleeplessness, hunger, extreme discomfort, pain, and the alternation of kindness and cruelty

brain·wash·ing

1. a method for systematically changing attitudes or altering beliefs, originated in totalitarian countries, especially through the use of torture, drugs, or psychological-stress techniques.
2. any method of controlled systematic indoctrination, especially one based on repetition or confusion: brainwashing by TV commercials.

[rerevisionist]

I'm tempted just to stop this thread, which is becoming being filled with irrelevancies.

* You appear to have never re-examined a lot of CIA/ government/ Cold War money-making schemes. It's clear from your comment on secret drugs you don't have evidence on 'amnesia inducing drugs', and I'd guess you can't distinguish between empirical effects of substances, from substances where the mode of action is known. Ditto the comment on remote viewing, for which, again, you unsurprisingly provide no evidence. The fact you get enraged about it shows you're not up to speed there.

*The Korean War is another issue surrounded by propaganda. There was some sort of UN voting deception - I forget the detail, something on the lines of China being tricked into not voting. And at the time the UN appears to have been a tool of the USA, more so than now. You don't seem to know anything about this. You seem to think that unlike WW1, WW2, and all other wars there was no trickery involved in Korea.

*The word 'brainwashed' was specifically introduced with a propaganda purpose, to 'explain' why all-American boys should complain about war activities. It also carries the implication that science allows brains to be 'washed'. Your dictionary cut-and-paste gives a subsidiary meaning, but this diluted-down meaning only developed afterwards, as a result of the word being misused by people who wanted to get an effect. You seem unable to distinguish methods of persuasion from 'brainwashing'.

It's time the USA re-examined its wars during the 'Cold War' - for example, as part of the wish of some Jews to control paper money in these places, and as a control over raw materials. Plus of course a large proportion of people really believed there was a nuclear threat, which is why it's relevant here; many people spent their entire working lives waiting for missiles, fooling with supposed radiation counters, building bunkers, working with fluorides, etc etc.

Of course people who got involved in fighting in wars have their own memories etc - but the plain fact is, in contrast with simpler territorial wars of the remote past, most people in modern wars have had little idea of what they were doing fighting. They just fought there.

[FirstClassSkeptic]

I consider all psychiatry to be phony. Is that the same as psychology?

There was a study twenty years ago or more that determined that talking to someone, anyone, was just as effective as talking to a psychiatrist. I read that in some magazine like The Atlantic Monthly, or The New Yorker. I remember I was in a public library when I read it.

They also said that psychiatrists, as a group, suffer from psychosis more than most. I wonder if that's because many are jewish? I think Freud's analysis works well with jews, but not with everyone. I've also heard anecdotal stories that mental hospitals have a large amount of jewish patients.

[rerevisionist]

Psychiatry is practised by doctors, i.e. people medically trained in anatomy, biology, medicine, and drugs - and 'mental illness', in quotes to show I've heard of people like Szasz. I believe it's considered higher status than psychology. Its tempting to consider psychology a phony, and indeed, because the brain isn't understood, this may be true enough. But there must be empirical evidence, so it's a legitimate science as far as it goes - someone who's read about, or seen, or investigated unusual behaviour with luck should make better decisions than someone who hasn't.

There was a similar report on speech therapy made in the mid-1970s. People who had strokes or car accidents may have a variety of speech problems related to brain damage. With luck, they recover. Speech therapy might help them, but a study was carried out, I expect with a control group without therapy, to see if they'd recover anyway. I don't know the outcome, but I do know there were some worried speech therapists out there.

[EyesWideOpen]

There was a study twenty years ago or more that determined that talking to someone, anyone, was just as effective as talking to a psychiatrist. I read that in some magazine like The Atlantic Monthly, or The New Yorker. I remember I was in a public library when I read it.

They also said that psychiatrists, as a group, suffer from psychosis more than most. I wonder if that's because many are jewish? I think Freud's analysis works well with jews, but not with everyone. I've also heard anecdotal stories that mental hospitals have a large amount of jewish patients.

I would tend to agree with this. Talking to somebody honestly and openly is as effective or actually more effective than talking to a psychologist or getting drugs from a psychiatrist because you have a healthy support system in your personal/daily life. A friend is not getting paid to listen to you, while a so-called professional IS getting paid and has a separate agenda from your own... to make a living off the "patient".

I think people tend to go into and work in these fields (psychology/psychiatry) to figure out and deal with their own mental issues. The last thing someone needs, is a "professional" who has their own issues and is trying to uplift their own ego by pretending to help others while making striving to make a living doing so.

I have a friend whose brother figured out the Jew and Holocaust back in the early 1970's. He dropped out of college, studied the Jew, started using Acid and has now been in a Mental Institute since 1980. He just stays on drugs to keep calm and not think too much. According to my friend, his brother was brilliant but just could not handle living amongst the brainwashed fools (he also thinks the Acid use helped isolate and mess with his brothers brain).

[rerevisionist]

I've been a bit aggressive to EyesWideOpen, who, however, has been endorsed by mooninquirer, who is obviously sound enough.

Can I offer a sort of olive branch and comment. The word 'brainwashing' is allegedly derived from Chinese words, meaning 'brain' and 'wash'. It's possible - I don't speak, write, or know Chinese - that the expression was meant in a genuine sense of washing, cleaning, purifying, making better, showering away dirt etc. They may have meant 'brainwashing' was removing all the propagandist crap that American soldiers had been exposed to, since birth, by the usual suspects. Maybe they applied the word to themselves, too. If so, 'brainwashing' is a desirable thing.

[rerevisionist]

I found some references to a US journalist, Edward Hunter, who had published Brainwashing in Red China in 1951. A bit of Googling reveals Communist Psychological Warfare here http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/globalism/Congress.htm - taken from the 'House Committee on Un-American Activities' of 1958. I presume it's quoted accurately.

Hunter seems to have had no idea of the Jewish side of European Communism - Hungary has shown an example of a population which appeared satisfied with the Red control, seeming to believe in its doctrines. In Hungary, we saw overnight the people who acted and talked as if they were Communists reveal themselves as unbelievers, furiously fighting to the death with their bare hands against communism.