[rerevisionist]

Revisionism in History - Holocaust Revisionism - Guide to Evidence - Consequences

Yes. We have Richard Harwood's Did Six Million Really Die? (1974 revision)
http://www.vho.org/aaargh/fran/livres5/harwoodeng.pdf - this is a PDF version; many more formats are online. An overview piece, not immensely detailed, but surveying the entire subject.
    [Inserted April 2015: listed variously as 3rd, 4th and 5th edition, 2014, attributed to 'Peter Winter', and retitled The Six Million: Fact of Fiction, this seems to be the same but updated book.]

And Arthur Butz's The Hoax of the Tentieth Century
http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/thottc/1.html (2003 edn - 1st edition 1976). This version is HTML format.

And Dissecting the Holocaust, edited by Germar Rudolf (1994; Eng. trans 2000)
http://fliiby.com/file/845909/xd1xpk2h5i.html in a newish online scrolling format.

And the vast revisionist website Historical Revisionism by Vrij Historisch Onderzoek
http://www.vho.org

And the website of CODOH, the Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust
http://www.codoh.com founded by the indefatigable Bradley Smith.
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David Irving's website is http://www.fpp.co.uk though his scope is enormously wider than just one single subject.

The Institute of Historical Review http://www.ihr.org started out with 'Holocaust' and Second World War material, but has expanded into consideration of (for example) worldwide American and other aggression.
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I notice that one of CODOH's images includes the two-part supposed 'mushroom cloud', though it's not clear why, as their site is strictly holocaust only. CODOH has a forum, though not as well-designed as this one. One of its threads is Helpful Hints on how to 'Deny' the Holocaust which has some amusing but rather despairing accounts of strategies that might be used in trying to overcome in ordinary people the steel mind-trap of the 'Holocaust' - also known as the 'big H', the Hollow Cost, the holohoax. The educable percentage is put as low as 1% or even 0.1%. (The emailers don't address the even trickier issue of trying to communicate with 'experts' - something nearly impossible, because of their unwillingness to take risks.) The up-and-coming approach seems to be to say something like: "which of these events are you calling a "holocaust" - Dresden, Holodomor, the Gulags, firebombing Japan, famine in Bengal?"

The Holocaustiana listed above spans about 40 years. Maybe it's time for a nuke overview piece? In my opinion, a selection of overview comments is the best way to get people to start thinking: detailed stuff can wait. And try to encourage people to do their own work - there are just too many of them for individual tuition. And bear in mind that there was time when you yourself didn't know this material.

[rerevisionist]

http://revforum.yourforum.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4057&p=26317&hilit=bolshevik+archives&sid=e0aae01dc53c6ec8b4b305c423c71d6c#p26317

The CODOH forum is a bit of a repetitive morass, as forums tend to be, and has to be SEARCHed to find anything. The above thread, on Ilya Ehrenberg, was found by searching topic text for 'Bolshevik Archives'. Ehrenberg was the Jew who exhorted killings, rapes etc of Germans. His archives were, it's stated, sent to Yad Vashem, where they are still to this day secret. Ehrenberg I'd guess helped plan Yad Vashem - it was being planned in 1942!

Incidentally Susan Brownmiller's book 'Against Our Will', published 1975, on rape, looks at Ehrenberg's leaflets, pamphlets, or whatever they were. One of the posters thinks that's why her book is hardly ever mentioned - it breaches the censorship about Jews. Just as Eastern European women in brothels in Israel go unmentioned by professional 'liberated women'.

CODOH has a few mentions of nuclear issues, including a fake claim published by US Jews on Hitler's Germany testing an atom bomb. It also states that one of the lies about killing methods in addition to steaming, electrocution, hitting with mechanised hammers, and asphyxiation, was nuclear death rays. Generally CODOH posters seem unaware of nuclear revisionism.

We've done our best to design this nuclear lies site so that threads can be located fairly reliably, without forcing users to search.

[rerevisionist]

Interesting comparison, involving money power, of propaganda about Hitler with propaganda about Nero. You may have heard the 19th century attitude to Athens: inventor of democracy. But you won't have heard of Nero's Rome: inventor of financial reform.

The following is most of a posting by 'mincuo', taken from the CODOH site, slightly corrected. I believe mincuo lives in a European country, but not Britain - he/she is apologetic about his/her English; my guess is the writer is Italian----

The problem is communication, the way to communicate. Revisionists assume that people already knows a lot of thing in the right way. They think that they have only to explain or correct some facts, or some evidences, and "voilà". But it doesn't work very well. Simply the alphabet, the syntax, the vocabulary, the grammar, the language is different. People got a heavy indoctrination. All the paradigms, not only Shoah, but everything surrounding is distorted. Let me say that is not new, and not only for Shoah.

The Emperor Nero was the very ancient Hitler, the ancient Satan. (Very much of the Hitler demonization was perfectly copied from the antique Nero demonization propaganda. Fire, flames, extermination, madman, a bit artist, cruel, paranoic, etc...). You know that Nero burned Rome, he murdered ten of thousands of Christians, burned them alive, crucificied them, or teared them to pieces by the lions in the Circus, while he was playing the lyra and singing. All that is a bunch of lies, but the books afterwards were written by historians who were just Christians or the Aristocratic class, strongly enemy of Nero. Among others, Nero made expecially 2 great reforms. One was a monetary reform, the other was a fiscal reform. Both were for the people and against the aristocratic class. Expecially the latter, because Nero took them a great part of their privilege to collect taxes, give permits, concessions, contracts and so on. (Only to understand the importance two small examples: one commercial ship contained at that time up to 10.000 tons of say of wine, grain, oil... The permit to import and deal given by the Aristocratic bureaucracy to a trader gave them some 25% of the earnings. Another example. Roman people didn't live in the beautiful houses (domus) you have read in the school books. Only 1400 or 1500 owners with their families and slaves lived there. Roman citizens were 1,200,000-1,600,000 and they lived (paying a rent, not as owners) in the "insulae" i.e. six, eight, and often ten-storey-houses, or even 14 storey-houses, like the "Insula felicles". There was an immense speculation at that time. You can understand the value of the building permits given by the Aristocratics). Even when there was the famous fire in Rome, Nero taxed them and made a requisition of 1/5 of their grain to help the population, the fixed strict rules for the new buildings and so on. You can understand how many enemies he had. After his death (64 A.D.) the demonization began. Every book speaking even a bit objectively was removed. But notwithstanding the heavy propaganda the Romans continued to preserve some memory. For more than 1000 years every 9 June, the day of the death of Nero, a great mass of people brought flowers on the (presumed) Nero mausoleum, ending only when the Pope Pasquale ordered in 1100 A.D. to destroy the grave and to build a chapel. (It subsequently become a famous Church in Rome: "Santa Maria del Popolo"). Every text-book, every newspaper, and then every film or every TV "historic" documentary, and everything in culture was distorted. And not because the truth was unknown. The truth was known.

For the Shoah the story is even worse, because the story is linked with the unconscious, because the media are quite heavier, because the films, the fiction, the survivors' stories are so recent, and because people was scientifically stripped of the capacity of reasoning and trained to images and emotions. So, to conclude, it is not simply a matter of illustrating some facts, it is a matter of values inculcated through emotions and watchwords, and moreover of a different grammar between you and your listener. Your grammar is logic, his grammar is emotions and faith. If you don't try to throw a bridge and approach his grammar, I think you are wasting your time. Sorry for my usual bad English.

[FirstClassSkeptic]

Interesting. Never heard the story of Nero from that angle.

This reminds me of Chavez. He took land from corporations and divided it into fifty acre lots and distributed them among poor people.

So they had apartment complexes in ancient Rome? I never knew that. It's no wonder Rome crumbled. But I'll bet there were people back then that thought the party would never end. Although, it could be said that Rome just morphed into the British empire, which then morphed into the American empire, and then grew into the New World Order.

[RealityWall]

'Revisionists' have failed to explain (away) the evidence for the reality of exterminations as part of an intentional plan on the part of the Third Reich.

For instance, one document is a 27.3.1942 diary entry by Josef Goebbels. He writes:

Beginning with Lublin, the Jews in the General Government are now being evacuated eastward. The procedure is a pretty barbaric one and not to be described here more definitely. Not much will remain of the Jews. On the whole it can be said that about 60 per cent of them will have to be liquidated whereas only about 40 per cent can be used for forced labor.

The former Gauleiter of Vienna, who is to carry this measure through, is doing it with considerable circumspection and according to a method that does not attract too much attention. A judgment is being visited upon the Jews that, while barbaric, is fully deserved by them. The prophesy which the Fuehrer made about them for having brought on a new world war is beginning to come true in a most terrible manner. One must not be sentimental in these matters. If we did not fight the Jews, they would destroy us. It's a life-and-death struggle between the Aryan race and the Jewish bacillus. No other government and no other regime would have the strength for such a global solution of this question. Here, too, the Fuehrer is the undismayed champion of a radical solution necessitated by conditions and therefore inexorable. Fortunately a whole series of possibilities presents itself for us in wartime that would be denied us in peacetime. We shall have to profit by this.

The ghettoes that will be emptied in the cities of the General Government now will be refilled with Jews thrown out of the Reich. This process is to be repeated from time to time. There is nothing funny in it for the Jews, and the fact that Jewry's representatives in England and America are today organizing and sponsoring the war against Germany must be paid for dearly by its representatives in Europe - and that's only right.

Clearly states that 60% of the Jews will have to be 'liquidated', thus killed, in a barbaric procedure. The rest of the entry describes the intentional nature of the extermination program, Hitler's push, Globocnik's involvement (with Operation Reinhard), etc. Can 'revisionists' offer a serious explanation about what Goebbels meant? I don't think so, but I am willing to be proven wrong.

[Sorensen731]

Please, do your homework, even Wikipedia knows this entries are false.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goebbels_D ... thenticity

[RealityWall]

Please, do your homework, even Wikipedia knows this entries are false.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goebbels_D ... thenticity

I have done plenty of homework, but you don't seem to have. Only the most desperate of revisionists question the diary entry's authenticity. Even Mark Weber, who is quoted on the Wiki page linked to above, seems to have alleviated any of his own doubts about the diary entry's authenticity (though he never says they were forged even in the 1980s).

Mark Weber cited the diary entry in January 2009, thus clearly recognizing its authenticity:

A major reason for the lack of success in persuading people that conventional Holocaust accounts are fraudulent or exaggerated is that -- as revisionists acknowledge – Jews in Europe were, in fact, singled out during the war years for especially severe treatment.

This was confirmed, for example, by German propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels in these confidential entries in his wartime diary:5

Feb. 14, 1942: “The Führer [Hitler] once again expresses his resolve ruthlessly to clear the Jews out of Europe. There must be no squeamish sentimentalism about it. The Jews have deserved the catastrophe that they are now experiencing. Their destruction will go hand in hand with the destruction of our enemies. We must hasten this process with cold ruthlessness.”

March 27, 1942: “The Jews are now being deported to the East from the Generalgouvernement [Poland], starting around Lublin. The procedure is a pretty barbaric one and not to be described here more definitely, and there’s not much left of the Jews. By and large, one can say that 60 percent of them will have to be liquidated, while only 40 percent can be put to work. The former Gauleiter of Vienna, who is carrying out the operation, is proceeding quite judiciously, using a method that is not all too conspicuous. The Jews are facing a judgment which, while barbaric, they fully deserve. The prophecy the Führer made about them for having brought on a new world war is beginning to come true in the most terrible manner. One must not be sentimental in these matters.”

April 29, 1942: “Short shrift is being made of the Jews in all eastern occupied territories. Tens of thousands of them are being wiped out.”

No informed person disputes that Europe’s Jews did, in fact, suffer a great catastrophe during the Second World War. Millions were forced from their homes and deported to brutal internment in crowded ghettos and camps. Jewish communities across Central and Eastern Europe, large and small, were wiped out. Millions lost their lives. When the war ended in 1945, most of the Jews of Germany, Poland, the Netherlands and others countries were gone.

Given all this, it should not be surprising that even well-founded revisionist arguments are often dismissed as heartless quibbling.
http://www.ihr.org/weber_revisionism_jan09.html

So, ignoring Sorensen's baseless suspicion of forgery, we are now back to my original question: Can 'revisionists' offer a serious explanation about what Goebbels meant? I don't think so, but I am willing to be proven wrong.

[rerevisionist]

Near the end of your post, I see you say, as a standalone sentence, 'Millions lost their lives.' Could you please confirm you are talking only about 'Jews'?

[Sorensen731]

I have done plenty of homework.

No, you haven't. I already told you before. This document is fake. Max Weber said so UNDER OATH.

Goebbels diary was HAND-WRITTEN, until 1941, this part in dispute is written by TYPEWRITER.

You can read more for example here;

http://robertfaurisson.blogspot.com/2009/04/mark-weber-must-resign-from-institute.html

http://markwebermustgo.blogspot.com

"The Propaganda Minister’s comments are on the subject of events in which he had no personal part, no direct responsibility and of which he, in Berlin, had merely heard talk. In Toronto in 1988, during the second Zündel trial, Weber, at his end, had above all stated that according to him there was “a great doubt about the authenticity of the entire Goebbels diaries,” and had insisted on the fact that the contents of the March 27, 1942 note were particularly suspect. These were his very words under oath:

The later entry, which I think is the 27th of March [1942], is widely quoted to uphold or support the extermination thesis. It is not consistent with entries in the diary like this one of March 7th, and it is not consistent with entries at a later date from the Goebbels diaries, and it is not consistent with German documents from a later date.

[…] there is a great doubt about the authenticity of the entire Goebbels diaries because they are written on typewriter. We have no real way of verifying if they are accurate, and the U.S. Government certified, in the beginning of the publication, […] that it can take no responsibility for the accuracy of the diaries as a whole.

[…] I think again it is worth mentioning that the passage of the 27th of March is inconsistent with the passage of the 7th of March and the one from April, and I don’t remember the date exact (Transcript, p. 5820-5821). Goebbels had no responsibility for Jewish policy."

[RealityWall]

Near the end of your post, I see you say, as a standalone sentence, 'Millions lost their lives.' Could you please confirm you are talking only about 'Jews'?

That is not a statement from me, but a statement from Mark Weber, IHR director and former editor of the Journal of Historical Review. However, as every other sentence in that paragraph speaks about the Jews, it is certain that by "millions lost their lives," Weber was referring tot he Jews.

[RealityWall]

I have done plenty of homework.

No, you haven't. I already told you before. This document is fake. Max Weber said so UNDER OATH.

Goebbels diary was HAND-WRITTEN, until 1941, this part in dispute is written by TYPEWRITER.

So then no typed document, protocol, or diary is authentic? Get real. Or then, would you accept the handwritten notes in Himmler's Dienstkalender regarding the extermination of Jews? For someone so seemingly close minded, I don't think so...

Mark Weber (as opposed to the famous sociologist you refer to-do your homework) simply researched the material more and studied on the new developments since his 1988 statement. Do keep in mind that Irving discovered the full set of glass plates recording Goebbels' entries in a Soviet archive in 1992 (after Weber's statement), and thus confirmed to himself and more serious revisionists (such as Weber) that the diaries were AUTHENTIC. That is why Carlo Mattogno, Thomas Kues, Juergen Graf, Thomas Dalton, etc etc etc ALL accept the authenticity of the diary entries, many even using it for their arguments.

Anyway, keep chanting the outdated and stale Faurisson line all you like, Sorensen. The thoughts of those who are more up to date on the research, and even current revisionist historiography, are sought.

[rerevisionist]

Are you claiming that 'millions of Jews' died, or are you saying the quotation is someone else's, and you don't know?