[rerevisionist]

james von Brunn 1 day ago [c. 23 Dec 2014]
Rae....do you think that Pearl Harbor might'v been a hoax? (just watched a coupla short doccos....) most of the ships that were, supposedly, bombed/torpedoed were due for the scrap-yard any-way(s).... also: US army AA gunners on the 'heights' reported no Jap' air-craft..... all the USN carriers went to sea....uhm.....but....maybe they launched a few 'planes with Jap markings on them.....to make it look real.....who TF knows, eh? the "rule of thumb" i go by these days is: "every-thing you know is wrong! every-thing you've been told is a pack of LIEs"?


I don't think I've heard the suggestion that Pearl Harbor might have been a fully-fledged false flag fake before. Many thanks for that. Japan is generally agreed to have been forced into war, as Germany was. It's possible that Jewish-influenced elements in Japan pushed Pearl Harbor. Maybe with fake assurances as to what the US would do? - Rerev

Note added 16 Feb 2016:
James von Brunn (see Metapedia) was a German-extraction US revisionist, now dead. I assume the nickname is not the real name of the contributor.

Pearl-Harbor-US-false-flag? was written by FirstClassSkeptic (AKA PriesthoodAgitator) as a Youtube comment. He has more detail than James von Brunn; but in fairness I ought to note that the idea *may* have originated with 'James von Brunn'. I think I didn't pay much attention to 'James von Brunn' because of the style of his comment.

Lords of the Nukes video includes material on WW2, Japan, Hiroshima as fire-bombed, etc

[FirstClassSkeptic]

http://www.activistpost.com/2011/04/fre ... veals.html

Even Thomas Dewey, Roosevelt’s competitor in the 1944 presidential elections, had heard whispers of FDR’s role in arranging the massacre. Although Dewey planned speeches to charge FDR with foreknowledge of the attack, General George Marshall (Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff) convinced Dewey that he would risk American security in doing so, since Japan’s navy had yet to realize their codes had been cracked. Dewey kept his silence, and nearly everyone else has since, too

[rerevisionist]

[Shouldn't this be in the Current DIscussions section, or maybe Off Topic?]

Similar in Britain. Churchill knew from decoded radio intercepts that the Germans intended to bomb Liverpool. He 'heroically' brandished his fists at bombers on their way to Liverpool. Naturally the areas near the industrial works were generally 'working class', so the bombs rained on them without warning. (However, the day before, I'm told, the 'Liver Bird' sculpture atop a building had been taken down.)

I have to wonder how much decoding of US, British, French, Russian etc messages had been achieved by the Germans, Italians and Japanese. Plus information from captives, spies, and news sources. I suppose it's possible both sides knew most of what was happening, at least at the top levels. If so it would make the war rather different in character from what's usually presented.

[Source for Churchill - see and listen to David Irving's talks - for example 8 parts starting with
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iJHoBaLupc
though his talk encompasses a wide range of topics, including the writing of true history, and Hiroshima - Irving spoke to Gen Groves, but had no suspicion there may have been deception]

[FirstClassSkeptic]

It was reported as news, so I posted it as news, but it isn't news to me.

There was an interview I heard twice, with an old man that was there at Pearl Harbor. He gives some interesting facts. He says he knew it was a 'set up' when it happened.

1)Pearl Harbor was on high alert since March of 1941. FDR ordered the alert to be stopped just a week or two before the attack.
2) All anti aircraft ammo was put away, and locked, as per FDR orders.
3) All ships were ordered into port.
4) The only reason the two aircraft carriers weren't in port was because the commander of the two ships smelled a rat, and deliberately disobeyed orders.
5) The Pacific Fleet was cruising westward from California, and were ordered back to California, perhaps because their course would have caused them to bump into the Japanese fleet heading toward Hawaii.
6) There was back pay for the sailors, a pay raise, that was delayed for several months, and then given to the sailors on Friday, or maybe Sat, I forget which, but anyway, the result was that the sailors partied, got drunk, and were sleeping it off on Sunday morning.
7) This man said that he and another sailor went to inspect a wrecked Zero after the attack. When he examined the cockpit, he found a map. The map showed all the ships where they were, and showed the two aircraft carriers where they should have been, but weren't. The man said that as he studied the map, and what it meant, he knew that the whole thing was set up.